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  Reply # 1683193 6-Dec-2016 11:14
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@Rikkitic I have removed your last few posts/replies. No need to use names, you know the rules. 





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  Reply # 1683194 6-Dec-2016 11:15
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Geektastic:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Geektastic:

 

I've been surprised by the number of people who have criticised Mr Key on a very ad hominem basis (not here particularly - in the world at large) and yet when you press them, the core of their argument is distilled into  jealousy over the fact that he has more money than they do.

 

I find this particular chip on the shoulder distasteful as well as stupid. A man who grew up in a single parent family, living in a state house and went on to succeed like Mr Key ought to be a serious role model not an object of jealousy and derision. Resenting the success of others as a way of distracting yourself from your own mediocrity is a bit sad, really.

 

He is living proof that hard work and application will get you far in life.

 

 

Maybe it is the way he made his money. Being a currency speculator doesn't exactly contribute to the human condition.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh no - of course not. They never pay taxes...or employ people....

 

 

 

 

Probably true.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1683197 6-Dec-2016 11:21
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I have been impressed with the reactions of most of the other political leaders with the exception of Right Honourable Mr Peters, I don't think he has read the mood well and has come off poorly.





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  Reply # 1683199 6-Dec-2016 11:29
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MikeB4:

 

I have been impressed with the reactions of most of the other political leaders with the exception of Right Honourable Mr Peters, I don't think he has read the mood well and has come off poorly.

 

 

 

 

Don Brash's thoughts on that:

 

"One of the things that the next National Party leader faces is a real challenge from NZ First which is saying the things which National used to say."

 

 Podcast:

 

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20161206-0815-don_brash_backs_judith_collins_for_pm-128.mp3

 

 


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  Reply # 1683202 6-Dec-2016 11:36
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MikeB4:

 

I have been impressed with the reactions of most of the other political leaders with the exception of Right Honourable Mr Peters, I don't think he has read the mood well and has come off poorly.

 

 

 

 

Don Brash's thoughts on that:

 

"One of the things that the next National Party leader faces is a real challenge from NZ First which is saying the things which National used to say."

 

 Podcast:

 

http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20161206-0815-don_brash_backs_judith_collins_for_pm-128.mp3

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don Brash is irrelevant and The Right Honourable Helen Clark was a different time. I did not agree with her politics and I have much admiration and respect for what she has achieved in her life and that she got to the top in government when the glass ceiling was just above floor level.

 

I have not always agreed with the PM but again I have much respect for what he has achieved in his life and the contribution he has made to New Zealand.





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  Reply # 1683203 6-Dec-2016 11:39
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

I have not always agreed with the PM but again I have much respect for what he has achieved in his life and the contribution he has made to New Zealand.

 

 

 

 

Some cynical folk have suggested that we will remain forever indebted, thanks to his contribution.

 

:-)


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  Reply # 1683205 6-Dec-2016 11:42
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freitasm:

 

@Rikkitic I have removed your last few posts/replies. No need to use names, you know the rules. 

 

 

Sorry, I get carried away sometimes when I feel strongly about something. I will withdraw.

 

 





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  Reply # 1683206 6-Dec-2016 11:42
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Rikkitic:

 

MikeB4:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Is there any possibility of any hope at all that this will finally put an end to dinosaur Minister For Life useless self-serving system-rorting phony party leader Peter Dunne? I would so like to see the end of that drain on public resources.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why? he is a democratically elected member of parliament with a party that meets the electoral legal requirements for registration.

 

 

He is a useless parasite gaming the system and sucking forever at the public teat. As a voter, I am expressing my wish, as I am democratically entitled to do, that other voters finally see sense and quit electing him. 

 

 

 

 

What's he done to annoy you so deeply?

 

I really like Peter Dunne and he's contributed a lot in his time as an MP. A lot of the work he's done as Minister of Internal Affairs particularly with the new FENZ transformation has been applauded by a lot of people.

 

There are plenty of other MP's who have done absolutely nothing in comparision.

 

Should he have a party? That's another issue entirely. The law says he can, and if you don't like that then maybe you should be complaining about the law, not the day to day workings of the law.

 

 


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  Reply # 1683219 6-Dec-2016 11:55
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Bernard Hickey's opinion piece:

 

Very good article, IMO.


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  Reply # 1683222 6-Dec-2016 12:04
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Linuxluver:

 

National can't work across the board with anyone who gets significant voter support.

 

 

National have previously governed with NZ First which currently has 12 seats. So a National-NZF coalition would have a 12 seat majority.

 

John Key has previously categorically ruled out working with NZF, but he has now left.

 

How many votes NZF will get I would never attempt to guess but old Winnie could be king-maker again ...lol

 

 

 

But here's a thought .. imagine if National and Labour could form a grand coalition. 

 

Although I suspect it will never happen, a grand coalition could achieve serious consensus on some major issues that are currently political footballs.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1683228 6-Dec-2016 12:13
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MikeAqua:

Linuxluver:


National can't work across the board with anyone who gets significant voter support.



National have previously governed with NZ First which currently has 12 seats. So a National-NZF coalition would have a 12 seat majority.


John Key has previously categorically ruled out working with NZF, but he has now left.


How many votes NZF will get I would never attempt to guess but old Winnie could be king-maker again ...lol


 


But here's a thought .. imagine if National and Labour could form a grand coalition. 


Although I suspect it will never happen, a grand coalition could achieve serious consensus on some major issues that are currently political footballs.


 


 



It could after all National and Labour are at the same point on the political spectrum. 2016 has been a daft year so anything is possible.




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Rikkitic:

 

MikeB4:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Is there any possibility of any hope at all that this will finally put an end to dinosaur Minister For Life useless self-serving system-rorting phony party leader Peter Dunne? I would so like to see the end of that drain on public resources.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why? he is a democratically elected member of parliament with a party that meets the electoral legal requirements for registration.

 

 

He is a useless parasite gaming the system and sucking forever at the public teat. As a voter, I am expressing my wish, as I am democratically entitled to do, that other voters finally see sense and quit electing him. 

 

 

 

 

What's he done to annoy you so deeply?

 

I really like Peter Dunne and he's contributed a lot in his time as an MP. A lot of the work he's done as Minister of Internal Affairs particularly with the new FENZ transformation has been applauded by a lot of people.

 

There are plenty of other MP's who have done absolutely nothing in comparision.

 

Should he have a party? That's another issue entirely. The law says he can, and if you don't like that then maybe you should be complaining about the law, not the day to day workings of the law.

 

 

 

 

Anyone feeling ranty about Peter Dunne needs to reread the above, which reflects my view entirely.

 

 

As for JK? He has (had) the charisma to be an effective party leader and Prime Minister.

 

But don't make the mistake of blaming him for all of the policies that National have trotted out, and similarly don't assume there'll be change just because the man at the helm is stepping down.




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Too late to bring this old timer out?

 





 


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  Reply # 1683265 6-Dec-2016 13:22
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At a purely policy level the grand coalition is not such a crazy notion. (I say that as a Labour voter - Phil Goff is pretty much a National politician and Andrew Little is mostly criticised by his own party for being too much of a socialist)


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  Reply # 1683274 6-Dec-2016 13:47
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jonb:

 

At a purely policy level the grand coalition is not such a crazy notion. (I say that as a Labour voter - Phil Goff is pretty much a National politician and Andrew Little is mostly criticised by his own party for being too much of a socialist)

 

 

Labour's best leader was Shearer, but he got shafted because the party decided he wasn't what the party needed.

 

 


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