Father banned from watching daughter's netball game: what you think of this?

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#1785332 20-May-2017 21:27

For goodness sake it's an Islamic Women's Council of New Zealand event.

There would be any number of womens organisations in NZ that would not typically invite men to their events.

Unnecessary freakout in the extreme. Calm down and get rational for goodness sake.

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#1785343 20-May-2017 22:52

TBH I can't believe discrimination based on sex is even legal in NZ these days. People should not be told what they can or can't do based on *something they can't change*. (well, not easily).

IMO if Islamic people want to come to NZ, they have to accept some basic freedoms and rights that we hold sacred above all else - the freedom from discrimination is an important one.

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#1785359 21-May-2017 00:07

gzt: For goodness sake it's an Islamic Women's Council of New Zealand event.

There would be any number of womens organisations in NZ that would not typically invite men to their events.

Unnecessary freakout in the extreme. Calm down and get rational for goodness sake.

I bet there would be a lot of noise if women were excluded from son's rugby games...

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#1785360 21-May-2017 00:08

gzt: For goodness sake it's an Islamic Women's Council of New Zealand event.

There would be any number of womens organisations in NZ that would not typically invite men to their events.

Unnecessary freakout in the extreme. Calm down and get rational for goodness sake.

What on earth is rational about a gender ban based on an imaginary religious construct?!

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#1785361 21-May-2017 00:23

ArcticSilver:

I may hold a unpopular belief here, but personally I am of the opinion that we don't want other religions/cultures that are opposed to our culture/belief's as a country becoming normal place in NZ.

I don't mind others having their own belief's, but if you come to NZ you should integrate with our culture, our way of doing things rather than holding onto your ideals and creating a world of them to live in.

So many cities have huge problems with cultural wars and are divided from within because of people refusing to integrate and instead forming their own city that conforms within a city.

Too many people forget, it is a privilege to come here, not a right. I wouldn't go to their country and demand my belief's are followed, I would try and accept theirs or at least integrate with their way of doing things.

I've seen what happens to countries that allow unfettered multiculturalism. I could show you parts of Britain that, were it not for the green hills in the distance, you would not believe you were anywhere but Eurasia. There is a place just south of where my MiL lives in the north of England known locally as 'The Khyber Pass' and it really does look as though someone uprooted an entire town from northern Pakistan or somewhere and transplanted it: you don't see people of Indian/Pakistani descent but dressed in jeans etc - no, they are in the full on clothing and headwear that you would see if you went on holiday to that part of the world. The shop signs are in Hindi, the women in full on Islamic clothes - it's a bizarre sight, even to me, because I grew up down south where that sort of thing does not happen so much outside London itself.

There are certainly bits of London which are not dissimilar either. Southall, for example.

Unfortunately it's very hard (certainly in the UK) to actually have a conversation about it in a constructive manner without it descending into a sort of farce where anyone objecting to it is closed down as a 'racist'. I can't offer you a solution but Britain today is several light years away from what it was only 60 years ago and not everyone who thinks that is not a good plan is dismissible as some sort of racist thug. It's something to bear in mind when considering how to manage this sort of issue here, at least.

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#1785362 21-May-2017 00:29

SATTV:

shk292:

It's just another example of the Islamic belief system invading western society, like the Muslim women only swimming sessions in Auckland. Either fight it or accept it, it's not going away voluntarily

I just want to slightly correct this, they are women only swim sessions. ( you dont have to be muslim )

I personally am 100% against this. This is public property and if you want to swim without men hire the venue after hours or get a private pool, there is a woman's only gym not far from there that has an indoor private pool they could use.

Men are not allowed to have men only places, there used to be men only gym's / clubs etc but they have had to allow women.

Women on the other hand are allowed women only gyms / clubs etc so they have a "safe and supportive environment"

This whole thing is pushing NZ back 125 - 150 years. Kate Shepherd will be rolling in her grave.

As for the netball, it is on private land, Zayed College is a state integrated secondary school. The state does not own the land or buildings so this is a private function. The father knew damned well what their beliefs and cultural practices are but I am glad he has complained, hopefully others will complain and push for change in their community.

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yes they are. e.g. Freemasons is still a 'men only' club.

virtually every bathroom and changing room has a 'men only and 'women only' variants

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#1785366 21-May-2017 01:40

ripdog:
TBH I can't believe discrimination based on sex is even legal in NZ these days. People should not be told what they can or can't do based on *something they can't change*. (well, not easily).

I just don't know where to start. Maybe explain that to:

- NZ National Association of Women in Construction
- Association for Women in the Sciences NZ
- NZ Women Lawyers' Association

A complete list could fill pages and pages I'll stop there.

IMO if Islamic people want to come to NZ, they have to accept some basic freedoms and rights that we hold sacred above all else - the freedom from discrimination is an important one.

You are objecting to the ability of a women's organisation to hold an event for women. That is in fact a basic freedom, and one that is certainly held sacred by many people.

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#1785367 21-May-2017 01:44

ArcticSilver:

I may hold a unpopular belief here, but personally I am of the opinion that we don't want other religions/cultures that are opposed to our culture/belief's as a country becoming normal place in NZ.

I don't mind others having their own belief's, but if you come to NZ you should integrate with our culture, our way of doing things rather than holding onto your ideals and creating a world of them to live in.

So many cities have huge problems with cultural wars and are divided from within because of people refusing to integrate and instead forming their own city that conforms within a city.

Too many people forget, it is a privilege to come here, not a right. I wouldn't go to their country and demand my belief's are followed, I would try and accept theirs or at least integrate with their way of doing things.

Thats the thing, if you did go to their country and not follow their requirements, you might be arrested, as has happened. As the saying goes, when in NZ do what NZ'ers do. And that doesn't include discrimination

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#1785368 21-May-2017 02:03

Yep. Do as NZers do and form an association for women and include sporting activities. Tick.

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#1785369 21-May-2017 02:13

gzt: Yep. Do as NZers do and form an association for women and include sporting activities. Tick.

Maybe I could form an association for men, include sporting activities and a sign that women are banned. I assume that would not contravene any laws?

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#1785371 21-May-2017 02:35

tdgeek:

gzt: Yep. Do as NZers do and form an association for women and include sporting activities. Tick.

Maybe I could form an association for men, include sporting activities and a sign that women are banned. I assume that would not contravene any laws?

correct. it would be fine.

or you could join an organisation that already is men only, like the freemasons.

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#1785373 21-May-2017 02:50

what do you call a 53 year old man who has sex with a 9 year old girl?

1.6B people call him the prophet of Islam.

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#1785378 21-May-2017 07:40

"Father banned from working out with daughter at Configure Express!"

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#1785380 21-May-2017 08:02

The repression being suggested to "fix" original topic is saddening.

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#1785382 21-May-2017 08:06

@nathan:
what do you call a 53 year old man who has sex with a 9 year old girl?

1.6B people call him the prophet of Islam.

What do you call a marriage of a 6 year old Isabella of Valois and King Richard II of England, 600 years ago? Her parents approved it and so are the people of that time including the Church.

I didn't realize that you are that naive.

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