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  # 1825950 20-Jul-2017 15:33
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ripdog:

 

Wiggum:

 

ripdog:

 

It's really sad how much vitriol is thrown at people like Metiria who befraud the government for only a few thousand dollars, for the purpose of keeping food on their (and their childrens') plates and a roof over their heads.

 

 

Its never OK to steal from somebody else.

 

Consider other poor people, who also pay tax, who were also in the same boat at Metiria. Is it fare that Metiria steals from them?

 

You need to change you perspective as to how you look at this. Its not stealing from the government. Its stealing from all taxpayers, rich/poor, and others just like Metiria battling to make ends meet.

 

Metiria is a fraud, she should be fired. She stole from people worse off than herself. And is now using all this for her own political gain.

 

 

 

 

Last I checked, the vast majority of income tax comes from higher earners. Lower earners have less money to tax, it's taxed at a lower rate, AND they tend to have tax credits applied.

 

And quite frankly, if someone was in truly abject poverty and needed to steal a fraction of a cent from me to make ends meet, I don't have an issue with that. I want my tax to go to those who need it, and there's few more needy than single mums on welfare.

 

 

 

Again I ask: where is your outrage over tax evasion/avoidance? They both cost the country orders of magnitude more than benefit fraud, and yet all the rage is directed at the poor.

 

 

Metiria is not exactly poor anymore, she earns $175,398 per anum. The very least she could have done is pay back that money, or give it to a charity. Instead she just leaves it, hoping the problem goes away. She probably believes she is just entitled to it.

 

Nobody in this country has a right to steal, its against the law, and if you suggesting people should do it then you suggesting they break the law.

 

 




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  # 1825963 20-Jul-2017 15:47
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Wiggum:

 

 

 

Metiria is not exactly poor anymore, she earns $175,398 per anum. The very least she could have done is pay back that money, or give it to a charity. Instead she just leaves it, hoping the problem goes away. She probably believes she is just entitled to it.

 

Nobody in this country has a right to steal, its against the law, and if you suggesting people should do it then you suggesting they break the law.

 

 

 

 

The comments on her are fine, and justified. But as stated at least twice in this thread, a list of other MP's who showed bad behaviour, why is she being singled out and the others are "ok". Its a bit Chris Tarrant on the Million Dollar gameshow, "but we wont talk about that"


 
 
 
 


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  # 1825964 20-Jul-2017 15:49
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Oh, and she has publicly pledged to pay back what WINZ ask for.


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  # 1825969 20-Jul-2017 15:52
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Oh, and she has publicly pledged to pay back what WINZ ask for.

 

 

 

 

Why should Winz have to ask for an amount? She presumably has a brain in her head and can do some basic sums, she should voluntarily pay back X dollars, then if Winz do come at her, she has made restitution.


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  # 1825972 20-Jul-2017 15:55
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You also have to consider that what she did contributed to the problem we have today.

 

Every dollar that she took that she wasn't entitled to could have gone towards additional social services, higher payments across the board for beneficiaries or other such things, but no, the needs of the few outweighed the needs of the many


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On the subject of taking more than your fair share vs not declaring your tax responsibilities in regard to shared living arrangements. AirBnB still seems to be flying under the radar in terms of tax enforcement these days. Any thoughts?


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  # 1826004 20-Jul-2017 16:42
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You also have to consider that what she did contributed to the problem we have today.

 

Every dollar that she took that she wasn't entitled to could have gone towards additional social services, higher payments across the board for beneficiaries or other such things, but no, the needs of the few outweighed the needs of the many

 

 

I don't think that a woman making ends meet for herself and her child contribute in any way to the problems we have today. What's wrong about this is that she would need to do this to survive.

 

Your second paragraph is just speculation of the most self-serving kind. It's equally true to say that every dollar that she and every other beneficiary took that they should have been entitled to would otherwise have gone towards trips overseas for Parliamentarians, higher salaries for Ministers, lower taxes for big businesses or other such things, but no, the needs of the many pre-empted the greed of the few

 

 


 
 
 
 


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Wiggum:

 

ripdog:

 

Wiggum:

 

ripdog:

 

It's really sad how much vitriol is thrown at people like Metiria who befraud the government for only a few thousand dollars, for the purpose of keeping food on their (and their childrens') plates and a roof over their heads.

 

 

Its never OK to steal from somebody else.

 

Consider other poor people, who also pay tax, who were also in the same boat at Metiria. Is it fare that Metiria steals from them?

 

You need to change you perspective as to how you look at this. Its not stealing from the government. Its stealing from all taxpayers, rich/poor, and others just like Metiria battling to make ends meet.

 

Metiria is a fraud, she should be fired. She stole from people worse off than herself. And is now using all this for her own political gain.

 

 

 

 

Last I checked, the vast majority of income tax comes from higher earners. Lower earners have less money to tax, it's taxed at a lower rate, AND they tend to have tax credits applied.

 

And quite frankly, if someone was in truly abject poverty and needed to steal a fraction of a cent from me to make ends meet, I don't have an issue with that. I want my tax to go to those who need it, and there's few more needy than single mums on welfare.

 

 

 

Again I ask: where is your outrage over tax evasion/avoidance? They both cost the country orders of magnitude more than benefit fraud, and yet all the rage is directed at the poor.

 

 

Metiria is not exactly poor anymore, she earns $175,398 per anum. The very least she could have done is pay back that money, or give it to a charity. Instead she just leaves it, hoping the problem goes away. She probably believes she is just entitled to it.

 

Nobody in this country has a right to steal, its against the law, and if you suggesting people should do it then you suggesting they break the law.

 

 

 

 

I would suggest that you simply start a new thread, perhaps named "I really don't like the Green party of NZ, especially Metiria" and you can really get it all off your chest.





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  # 1826158 20-Jul-2017 19:59
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Oh, and she has publicly pledged to pay back what WINZ ask for.



 


Why should Winz have to ask for an amount? She presumably has a brain in her head and can do some basic sums, she should voluntarily pay back X dollars, then if Winz do come at her, she has made restitution.



Depending on the type of income she did not declare and after taking into account exemptions and abatement rates she may or may not owe money.




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frankv: What's wrong about this is that she would need to do this to survive.

 

Who's to say she really did need to do this to survive. I don't know her circumstances, but it's  entirely possible the extra money she received from this was used to afford her a few "luxury" items she otherwise couldn't have afforded (a bottle of wine, pack of cigarettes etc). Or maybe she wasn't good at budgeting. But it's a pretty bold assertion to say she needed to commit fraud to actually survive.


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  # 1826488 21-Jul-2017 13:05
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frankv: What's wrong about this is that she would need to do this to survive.

 

Who's to say she really did need to do this to survive. I don't know her circumstances, but it's  entirely possible the extra money she received from this was used to afford her a few "luxury" items she otherwise couldn't have afforded (a bottle of wine, pack of cigarettes etc). Or maybe she wasn't good at budgeting. But it's a pretty bold assertion to say she needed to commit fraud to actually survive.

 

 

Fair comment. It's equally bold to assert that she did fraud despite not needing to do so.

 

 


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  # 1826496 21-Jul-2017 13:16
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frankv: What's wrong about this is that she would need to do this to survive.

 

Who's to say she really did need to do this to survive. I don't know her circumstances, but it's  entirely possible the extra money she received from this was used to afford her a few "luxury" items she otherwise couldn't have afforded (a bottle of wine, pack of cigarettes etc). Or maybe she wasn't good at budgeting. But it's a pretty bold assertion to say she needed to commit fraud to actually survive.

 

 

frankv:

 

Fair comment. It's equally bold to assert that she did fraud despite not needing to do so.

 

 

its all lies.

 

Go read through some of these archives and then make up your own mind.

 

She was definitely not doing this to "survive".

 

https://e-tangata.co.nz/news/metiria-turei-certifiably-smart/politics

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=2197711

 

http://www.nowtolove.co.nz/news/real-life/metiria-turei-my-daughter-saved-me-5497

 

I guess there is much more to this than we currently know. I'm really surprised though that she has still not opted to step down. But then, let her be. The greens are just helping National in the next election.


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  # 1826501 21-Jul-2017 13:26
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Fair comment. It's equally bold to assert that she did fraud despite not needing to do so.

 

 

I wasn't asserting that she didn't need to, only that it was entirely possible.


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  # 1826505 21-Jul-2017 13:41
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Wiggum:

 

Paul1977:

 

frankv: What's wrong about this is that she would need to do this to survive.

 

Who's to say she really did need to do this to survive. I don't know her circumstances, but it's  entirely possible the extra money she received from this was used to afford her a few "luxury" items she otherwise couldn't have afforded (a bottle of wine, pack of cigarettes etc). Or maybe she wasn't good at budgeting. But it's a pretty bold assertion to say she needed to commit fraud to actually survive.

 

 

frankv:

 

Fair comment. It's equally bold to assert that she did fraud despite not needing to do so.

 

 

its all lies.

 

Go read through some of these archives and then make up your own mind.

 

She was definitely not doing this to "survive".

 

https://e-tangata.co.nz/news/metiria-turei-certifiably-smart/politics

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=2197711

 

http://www.nowtolove.co.nz/news/real-life/metiria-turei-my-daughter-saved-me-5497

 

 

I scanned those articles, and couldn't find *anything* relevant to your assertion.

 

 

I guess there is much more to this than we currently know. I'm really surprised though that she has still not opted to step down. But then, let her be. The greens are just helping National in the next election.

 

 

 

Nothing but twaddle.

 

 


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Wiggum:

 

 

Nice avatar!

 

 





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