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  # 1826424 21-Jul-2017 11:24
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What Treaty issues are still outstanding?

 

 

 

 

There is a wealth of information here ...  https://www.waitangitribunal.govt.nz/treaty-of-waitangi/





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Wiggum:

 

tdgeek:

 

What Treaty issues are still outstanding?

 

 

All the ones that still need to be logged

 

 

Many here are discussing issues here, in detail. If you can't or won't add any value, its probably best not to comment until you can.

 

Yes, Mike, exactly.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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The fact that some iwi-owned enterprises are doing very well, does not alleviate the socio-economic deprivations faced by many individual Maori.

 

Those deprivations justify targeted govt efforts to level the playing field.  And it is slowly working. But these things take time.  They take generations.

 

 





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MikeB4:

 

tdgeek:

 

What Treaty issues are still outstanding?

 

 

 

 

There is a wealth of information here ...  https://www.waitangitribunal.govt.nz/treaty-of-waitangi/

 

 

Great, thanks Mike. An added value comment, like almost all here, (but not all)


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I would like to see urgency on the Treaty issues, the longer they drag out the deeper the wedge is driven. NZ has a great opportunity to show piece how matters concerning indigenous peoples are expedited professionally with compassion and mana.  





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I would like to see urgency on the Treaty issues, the longer they drag out the deeper the wedge is driven. NZ has a great opportunity to show piece how matters concerning indigenous peoples are expedited professionally with compassion and mana.  

 

 

I think treaty issues are less divisive than they used to be.  Remember the 1990s when there were occupations of public and private land.  NZrs on average were far less tolerant of treaty settlement.  Now when large treaty settlement is made it makes the news for one day, almost as a celebration.

 

I'd love to see some research into the effects of treaty settlements on the economy.  I think they will have had a significant stimulatory effect.

 

But I don't think we will ever see full and final settlement.  Claiming is an industry now and extends to some quite creative claims things like shares of radio frequencies which were quite clearly assets Maori were not traditionally aware of the potential for.





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MikeAqua:

 

MikeB4:

 

I would like to see urgency on the Treaty issues, the longer they drag out the deeper the wedge is driven. NZ has a great opportunity to show piece how matters concerning indigenous peoples are expedited professionally with compassion and mana.  

 

 

I think treaty issues are less divisive than they used to be.  Remember the 1990s when there were occupations of public and private land.  NZrs on average were far less tolerant of treaty settlement.  Now when large treaty settlement is made it makes the news for one day, almost as a celebration.

 

I'd love to see some research into the effects of treaty settlements on the economy.  I think they will have had a significant stimulatory effect.

 

But I don't think we will ever see full and final settlement.  Claiming is an industry now and extends to some quite creative claims things like shares of radio frequencies which were quite clearly assets Maori were not traditionally aware of the potential for.

 

 

Bastion Point, Raglan, The Land March and Dame Whina Cooper brought it to a head and made the Government wake up.





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6FIEND:

 

frankv:

 

OTOH, expecting Maori collectively to say that all is well has quite rightly not happened; clearly all is not well in Maoridom.

 

 

But that argument merely reinforces my perception that there is "an entrenched belief that Maori couldn't possibly function in the modern world without special dispensations".

 

We've danced around in a circle here... perhaps best just to leave it at, "we disagree on this."

 

 

Your statement seems to me to imply that *all* Maori can't and won't *ever* be able to function. "In the modern world" implies that in some (presumably) simpler, more primitive world they could cope; there are paternalist undertones of white people helping civilise poor benighted savages.

 

Can we perhaps agree on "a belief that some Maori can't currently function adequately without special dispensations"?

 

 


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@frankv

 

I'm entirely happy to agree on that.   It wasn't my intention to use language that was inflammatory or paternalistic.


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Wiggum:

tdgeek:


What Treaty issues are still outstanding?



All the ones that still need to be logged


Given your obvious lack of knowledge about the treaty, and NZ in particular, and your obvious commitment to the US culture wars as evidenced by your current avatar commemorating what some sources consider to be a settler initiated false flag operation to seize territory from Mexico, I really have to ask why this topic interests you so much.

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I would also be interested in the answer to above.





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Wiggum:

tdgeek:


What Treaty issues are still outstanding?



All the ones that still need to be logged


gzt: Given your obvious lack of knowledge about the treaty, and NZ in particular, and your obvious commitment to the US culture wars as evidenced by your current avatar commemorating what some sources consider to be a settler initiated false flag operation to seize territory from Mexico, I really have to ask why this topic interests you so much.

Quoting self. I see you have now changed your avatar to a kiwi national flag without any comment. Your previous California Bear Republic settler state flag was truly bizarre.

I have to say your new choice is an improvement.

The original question remains to be answered.

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MikeB4:

 

I would like to see urgency on the Treaty issues, the longer they drag out the deeper the wedge is driven. NZ has a great opportunity to show piece how matters concerning indigenous peoples are expedited professionally with compassion and mana.  

 

 

And Maori feel exactly the same - hence why many settlements eg. Tainui, Ngai Tahu have been for a fraction of what was actually due - simply so they can have some asset base to start building from. And in these 2 cases it is currently going very well - with significant asset growth - but also reinvestment back into the tribe via grants, scholarships, health initiatives etc.


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MikeAqua:

 

MikeB4:

 

I would like to see urgency on the Treaty issues, the longer they drag out the deeper the wedge is driven. NZ has a great opportunity to show piece how matters concerning indigenous peoples are expedited professionally with compassion and mana.  

 

 

I think treaty issues are less divisive than they used to be.  Remember the 1990s when there were occupations of public and private land.  NZrs on average were far less tolerant of treaty settlement.  Now when large treaty settlement is made it makes the news for one day, almost as a celebration.

 

I'd love to see some research into the effects of treaty settlements on the economy.  I think they will have had a significant stimulatory effect.

 

But I don't think we will ever see full and final settlement.  Claiming is an industry now and extends to some quite creative claims things like shares of radio frequencies which were quite clearly assets Maori were not traditionally aware of the potential for.

 

 

 

 

Re the Maori Economy - it's massive and growing and was at $43BN in 2013 - which is good for ALL NZ:

 

https://www.tpk.govt.nz/documents/download/609/tpk-maorieconomyreport-2013.pdf

 

 

 

More useful info located here:

 

http://www.berl.co.nz/economic-insights/economic-development/maori-economy/

 

 

 

As to clams - there are 2 types i.e. Historic (many of which have been settled or are well progressed.) and Contemporary.

 

This site has some easy to understand info re this and more.

 

http://www.treaty2u.govt.nz/the-treaty-Today/settling-claims/index.htm

 

 

 

 


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gzt:
Given your obvious lack of knowledge about the treaty, and NZ in particular, and your obvious commitment to the US culture wars as evidenced by your current avatar commemorating what some sources consider to be a settler initiated false flag operation to seize territory from Mexico, I really have to ask why this topic interests you so much.

 

gzt: Quoting self. I see you have now changed your avatar to a kiwi national flag without any comment. Your previous California Bear Republic settler state flag was truly bizarre.


gzt: The original question remains to be answered.

 

I fail to see what my avatar reasoning has to do with you here on this forum, and as to why I should have to explain it to you, when nobody else does. California is where I was born, and where I still love to visit and holiday. Home and family is in NZ.

 

My comments, relate to democracy, and in this case the lack of it in our Parliament (Maori seats). I try to keep my posts aligned to that.This thread is about the Maori seats, and they undemocratic. Thats the point of my posts, and the topic of this thread! It has got nothing to do with Mexico/Calfornia. Perhaps you need some education on that.

 

The USA has a system just as bad, arguably worse, arguably better is some regards. But this thread is about the Maori seats, and lets stick to topic.


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