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#1826050 20-Jul-2017 17:39

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Probably you missed the news... Turei made a speech where she said it was basically OK to commit welfare fraud to feed your baby - and she committed this fraud herself in her earlier years.

And this guy has stolen a trampoline to feed his baby, so one could argue that Turei has endorsed this type of activity.

That's not what she said at all.

If you want to bash her for what she's admitted she did - FFS be honest about it.

As for the moron trampoline thief, it would have been nice if someone in the media had bothered to find out if in fact his night out thieving was to help support dependant children - or (more likely my guess) a lifestyle of expensive substance abuse habits which seems to be behind most petty crime in NZ.

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#1826054 20-Jul-2017 17:44

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Hey, guess what? Whistleblowers were forced out their jobs early. Must be the fault of Metiria Turei and the Greens.

Here's a headline: Big winter storm expected to cause more flooding. I bet Metiria Turei and the Greens are behind it.

This one says weeds cost farmers billions of dollar a year. Is there no limit to the depths Metiria Turei and those vile Greens will stoop to?

LOL, you are really something. No-one blames Metiria Turei for anything other than what she actually did, admits she did (so we are clear there is no dispute over the facts) and then tried to gain political favor with it (and more or less condoning others do similar things if the ends justify the means).

It really says something you basically have been defending her for days and minimizing it, considering when something 1/50th as outrageous happened to the Greens in Australia and they stepped down immediately.

If she came and said.. I did this, it was wrong, as a result I am stepping aside, people might actually respect her, which it's almost impossible to do now, and even harder to respect those justifying her behavior.

Back on topic.

If this guy was stealing ACTUAL food, and a quantity that seemed reasonable for feeding a family, he would likely not fall too far foul of his situation, but a trampoline for crying out loud>

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#1826061 20-Jul-2017 18:00

Hard to believe a case like this went to court.... it should have been bounced straight out of there.

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#1826062 20-Jul-2017 18:04

networkn:

If this guy was stealing ACTUAL food, and a quantity that seemed reasonable for feeding a family, he would likely not fall too far foul of his situation, but a trampoline for crying out loud>

Guessing it is potentially a lot easier and safer than steeling food from a super market, which will be covered in cameras etc.

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#1826063 20-Jul-2017 18:04

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LOL, you are really something. No-one blames Metiria Turei for anything other than what she actually did, admits she did (so we are clear there is no dispute over the facts) and then tried to gain political favor with it (and more or less condoning others do similar things if the ends justify the means).

It really says something you basically have been defending her for days and minimizing it, considering when something 1/50th as outrageous happened to the Greens in Australia and they stepped down immediately.

If she came and said.. I did this, it was wrong, as a result I am stepping aside, people might actually respect her, which it's almost impossible to do now, and even harder to respect those justifying her behavior.

Back on topic.

If this guy was stealing ACTUAL food, and a quantity that seemed reasonable for feeding a family, he would likely not fall too far foul of his situation, but a trampoline for crying out loud>

OP seems to have an obsession with evil Metiria Turei and the terrible Greens. I merely made a little tongue in cheek commentary on that.

Could you point me to where I defended her and minimised it? I don't quite recall that.

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#1826067 20-Jul-2017 18:13

Funny end to the day here LOL.

The OP does have an anti MT and Greens issue. Ms R you could say has minimised that, but it goes a bit deeper. I minimise her as well, not because of her behaviour, but due to the lengthy list of others who should also have gone. No issue at all for others saying she should have gone, but the others didn't, thats my beef. Plain bias. There are a couple of refs in the Winny thread someone posted of past offenders that didn't walk. They all walk, or its ok if they don't. Can't be both

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#1826069 20-Jul-2017 18:14

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... considering when something 1/50th as outrageous happened to the Greens in Australia and they stepped down immediately.

How are these things comparable? Both Green senators found they were, under the Australian Constitution, ineligible to be elected to the Senate. However silly this clause may be, it's quite simple: they couldn't legally have been elected so had no right to stay.

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#1826075 20-Jul-2017 18:21

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networkn:

... considering when something 1/50th as outrageous happened to the Greens in Australia and they stepped down immediately.

How are these things comparable? Both Green senators found they were, under the Australian Constitution, ineligible to be elected to the Senate. However silly this clause may be, it's quite simple: they couldn't legally have been elected so had no right to stay.

Heh, they are comparable because instead of staying, fighting, trying to see if there was a path around the issue, they stood up recognized their completely inadvertent mistake and resigned, with a sincere apology.

Turei broke the Law intentionally and doesn't have the decency to do what is right and plainly obvious to everyone except her.

I am not sure if there is anything in the NZ Constitution that prevents criminals from being in office.

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#1826102 20-Jul-2017 18:56

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... considering when something 1/50th as outrageous happened to the Greens in Australia and they stepped down immediately.

How are these things comparable? Both Green senators found they were, under the Australian Constitution, ineligible to be elected to the Senate. However silly this clause may be, it's quite simple: they couldn't legally have been elected so had no right to stay.

Heh, they are comparable because instead of staying, fighting, trying to see if there was a path around the issue, they stood up recognized their completely inadvertent mistake and resigned, with a sincere apology.

Turei broke the Law intentionally and doesn't have the decency to do what is right and plainly obvious to everyone except her.

I am not sure if there is anything in the NZ Constitution that prevents criminals from being in office.

Ok, I can see we're never going to find common ground on this, as I think you're comparing two completely different situations that have nothing in common.

And don't assume that everyone shares your views, in stating it's "plainly obvious to everyone except her" a to what she should do - I for one don't think this requires her resignation.

Turei is not a "criminal" in that she has no conviction; there is no indication, I understand, as to whether MSD will even prosecute.

The relevant legislation states an MP must resign if convicted of an offence carrying a sentence of two years or more in prison. I'm not sure what the relevant sentence for this crime is, but someone else may know.

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#1826106 20-Jul-2017 19:04

jonathan18:

Ok, I can see we're never going to find common ground on this, as I think you're comparing two completely different situations that have nothing in common.

And don't assume that everyone shares your views, in stating it's "plainly obvious to everyone except her" a to what she should do - I for one don't think this requires her resignation.

Turei is not a "criminal" in that she has no conviction; there is no indication, I understand, as to whether MSD will even prosecute.

The relevant legislation states an MP must resign if convicted of an offence carrying a sentence of two years or more in prison. I'm not sure what the relevant sentence for this crime is, but someone else may know.

You don't think fraud and stealing should require someones resignation, yeah ok, you are right, we will never see eye to eye.

If you commit a crime and admit to it, then you ARE a criminal, you just haven't been convicted yet. If she escapes punishment for this, it will be a scandal. It's ludicrous to suggest anything else.

What the two cases don't share in common, is one had the decency to realize she was wrong and apologise and resign, and the other is a Greens party politician in NZ.

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#1826119 20-Jul-2017 19:18

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Geektastic:

How is trampoline usually served? Can you BBQ it?

With tomato sauce and fries

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I thought it must come with a side of spring vegetables.

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#1826121 20-Jul-2017 19:23

Geektastic:
Linux:

Geektastic:

How is trampoline usually served? Can you BBQ it?

With tomato sauce and fries

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I thought it must come with a side of spring vegetables.

I'm all up in the air over whether I think these jokes are funny :)

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#1826126 20-Jul-2017 19:37

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.

(Anatole France)

I think that's possibly the message Metiria was trying to get across, but was political suicide and a serious misjudged fail.

If "trampoline thief" did in fact say what he was reported to have said - because cops are sometimes liars too - it's a serious stretch of the imagination to project an opinion that he said it because he was truly "inspired by" Meteria.

Some of the alt:right folks on this forum should learn to identify fake news when they see it. A tip for them - it's not all from "the liberals".

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#1826127 20-Jul-2017 19:38

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Geektastic:
Linux:

Geektastic:

How is trampoline usually served? Can you BBQ it?

With tomato sauce and fries

Linux

I thought it must come with a side of spring vegetables.

I'm all up in the air over whether I think these jokes are funny :)

I'm a bit up and down myself, to be honest.

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#1826172 20-Jul-2017 20:38

This thread certainly seems to have people bouncing up and down. All sorts of crap (from both sides) ricocheting around.

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