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  #1829222 25-Jul-2017 16:47
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Fred99:

 

ROFL.

 

What a moronic assertion about me and my views - about which you know little to nothing.

 

 

Care to share a screenshot of your political compass just for interests sake? I based that on some of your comments alone, so go on and make this thread interesting.

 

I can post mine too, but I guess most can predict where I am already anyway.

 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test


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  #1829225 25-Jul-2017 16:50
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Wiggum:

 

The far left brigade know who they are. Many of their comments borderline with communism.

 

 

 

 

Oh dear. Ignorance. Communism is an ideology regarding the common ownership of property. No-one here has advocated that.

 

The epithet you're striving for is "socialism". Which isn't a bad thing at all. Look it up.

 

 


 
 
 
 




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  #1829227 25-Jul-2017 16:53
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frankv:

 

Wiggum:

 

The far left brigade know who they are. Many of their comments borderline with communism.

 

 

 

 

Oh dear. Ignorance. Communism is an ideology regarding the common ownership of property. No-one here has advocated that.

 

The epithet you're striving for is "socialism". Which isn't a bad thing at all. Look it up.

 

 

Whats the goal of socialism?


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  #1829230 25-Jul-2017 16:55
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frankv:

 

 

 

Oh I see! It's only OK to break the law to survive. As soon as you're safe, you shouldn't do anything illegal to improve your situation.

 

 

Correct!

 

frankv:

 

In that situation, you should be brave (steely-eyed is optional), and accept your life of poverty, without a car, Sky TV, a cellphone, or takeaways.

 

 

No. You can better your situation through education and making good choices and some sacrifices. It is not impossible - lots of people manage to do this!

 

frankv:

 

And of course this will apply to your children and their children too. And as far as possible you'll do this *with* a sweaty brow, since bludging off the wealthy is unfair.

 

 

I don''t think we were discussing 'bludging off the wealthy'. We were discussing fraud.

 

frankv:

 

And be grateful to those kindly taxpayers that you're living in a substandard hovel rather than on the street. Presumably when you or your child get sick, or some other disaster strikes to put you back into survival mode, it will be OK to steal a loaf of bread again. But be mindful of the taxpayer and only steal $1 Pams, not the good Vogels stuff. Nothing wrong with a bit of forelock-tugging, either!

 

And the rules as to how much money you get and how much gets taken off you will be made by someone who cares more about his Mercedes and holiday home (well, technically not *his* Mercedes or holiday home, since legally they're owned by a tax-avoiding trust) and shares and overseas trips and luxuries than about anyone else.

 

 

Um.... OK?

 

 


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  #1829232 25-Jul-2017 16:57
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Really folks? Communists? Next you going to start accusing people of being liberals.

Quit the extremism everyone. Right or left wings.




 

 

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  #1829237 25-Jul-2017 17:16
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I'd rather someone cheat the system in the short-term, if it's necessary for them to upskill, and as a result, not be reliant on the system long-term. I'm not saying it's ideal, and I'd never do it myself, but in many cases the tax payer is probably better off in the long run. 


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  #1829242 25-Jul-2017 17:28
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Wiggum:

 

Fred99:

 

ROFL.

 

What a moronic assertion about me and my views - about which you know little to nothing.

 

 

Care to share a screenshot of your political compass just for interests sake? I based that on some of your comments alone, so go on and make this thread interesting.

 

I can post mine too, but I guess most can predict where I am already anyway.

 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

 

 

Which comments were those?

 

We're living in a social democracy with a progressive taxation system, a social welfare system, a nominally free or heavily subsidised education system, and a free or heavily subsidised healthcare system, protection of worker rights and conditions, protections against unfair trade, protections for basic human rights.

 

If it's "commie" to support what's supported by all centrist parties - then by your definition, we must all be commies.

 

If you want to argue that all of those systems, checks and balances are wrong are should be abolished, then you're probably the extremist - not almost everybody else.


 
 
 
 


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  #1829261 25-Jul-2017 18:33
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I unsubscribed from this thread but a user mention caught my attention.

 

When people bandy labels about with no idea of what they mean, it does not reflect well on their IQ. But perhaps that is to be expected from someone who accuses me of name-calling in one line, then pretty much accuses me of being a communist in the next, and doesn't seem to see any incongruity in this.

 

A communist? I find that pretty amusing, as would anyone who knows me, but I guess in the poster's world this is the most horrific name-call he could come up with, short of baby-eater. 

 

I am certainly not a communist, though the label doesn't bother me, except that it is so wildly inaccurate. What I believe in is compassion and giving people the benefit of the doubt. I believe in helping those less fortunate. I believe in what are generally termed 'progressive' ideas. I believe in many of the principles espoused by the Green party, though by no means everything. I believe each of us has a responsibility to others, and that responsibility extends to the environment we all depend on. I believe in a certain generosity of spirit.

 

But I do not believe in communism. Not even close, and anyone who thinks I do from the comments I have posted on Geekzone is suffering from a serious cognitive malfunction.

 

  

 

 

 

 





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  #1829262 25-Jul-2017 18:35
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ROFL and now I see ads for MBIE on this page. Certainly targeted...




 

 

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  #1829266 25-Jul-2017 18:49
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Rikkitic:

 

 

 

I unsubscribed from this thread but a user mention caught my attention.

 

When people bandy labels about with no idea of what they mean, it does not reflect well on their IQ. But perhaps that is to be expected from someone who accuses me of name-calling in one line, then pretty much accuses me of being a communist in the next, and doesn't seem to see any incongruity in this.

 

A communist? I find that pretty amusing, as would anyone who knows me, but I guess in the poster's world this is the most horrific name-call he could come up with, short of baby-eater. 

 

I am certainly not a communist, though the label doesn't bother me, except that it is so wildly inaccurate. What I believe in is compassion and giving people the benefit of the doubt. I believe in helping those less fortunate. I believe in what are generally termed 'progressive' ideas. I believe in many of the principles espoused by the Green party, though by no means everything. I believe each of us has a responsibility to others, and that responsibility extends to the environment we all depend on. I believe in a certain generosity of spirit.

 

But I do not believe in communism. Not even close, and anyone who thinks I do from the comments I have posted on Geekzone is suffering from a serious cognitive malfunction.

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

From the perspective of a bystander my opinion of the majority of your comments here are that they are borderline toxic. You have a particularly nasty attitude toward anyone who disagrees with you and it is rather unpleasant.


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  #1829267 25-Jul-2017 18:51
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jonathan18:

 

There is a recent trend here on GZ to have many threads with a political aspect to be hijacked by relatively new members who typically are of a relatively far right persuasion. This thread is a perfect example.

 

Their politics aren't so much an issue with me, but rather it's the dogmatic, strident and even angry tone in which their views are spewed forth; further, many posts appear to simply be trolling to elicit a bite from someone. The more nuanced discussions that have been possible in the past amongst members with a wide variety of perspectives seem to get side-tracked or simply peter out as, one-by-one, other members get tired of the same old back-and-forth where there's always lots of smoke but little fire,.

 

I don't think anyone's perspectives or views are going to be changed by this kind of dialogue, and I for one am really tired of it - my guess is, though, given it's election year this is going to continue for the next few months at least... Guess it's time to stay away from these types of "off topic threads!

 

 

 

 

Yep I have enjoyed GZ for its respectful/robust debate over the years - but a couple of vocal types have brought a different approach to the debate in recent weeks - and quite frankly it makes threads toxic and disengaging seems to be the only option.

 

Damn shame really and I too hope it gets "better" after the election i.e. more mature, less labeling and more open to alternative points of view.

 

 


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  #1829270 25-Jul-2017 18:58
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UHD:

 

From the perspective of a bystander my opinion of the majority of your comments here are that they are borderline toxic. You have a particularly nasty attitude toward anyone who disagrees with you and it is rather unpleasant.

 

 

You are entitled to your opinion, as are we all. Some would probably agree with you. Others would not. I guess that's what makes a community.

 

 





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  #1829271 25-Jul-2017 18:58
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I will be clear and be damned labels. I am getting tired of conservative right-wing types complaining. Either people stop labels or risk getting banned without warning.

I don't have a problem with getting political discussions out of Geekzone either.

This is not the platform for your propaganda.




 

 

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