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  # 1857567 3-Sep-2017 12:31
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The ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER (what really happened)

 

According to a revisionist version of this classic tale, the ant was a noble, hard-working creature who thought ahead and planned for his own future, while the lazy no-good grasshopper lived off the sweat of others. In fact, things were a little different:

 

The ant and the grasshopper grew up in the same neighbourhood. They lived in modest circumstances but were able to get by. Public housing was adequate and everyone had a fair share of the pie. The grasshopper was content with his lot and spent his free time helping out his neighbours with small chores and errands. The neighbourhood was a happy place and everyone got along. There was no crime or violence. The strong social cohesion ensured that young grasshoppers in danger of going off the rails were shown the error of their ways and redirected into productive activities. Life was good.

 

Unfortunately, the ant was not happy with this. He wanted more. Especially, he wanted more than the grasshopper had. Instead of devoting his energy to helping others, he decided to follow the money and made a career in banking. Soon he became a currency speculator and grew rich by exploiting a system built by others like him.

 

Because he was rich, the ant was able to buy a much bigger house than the grasshopper had and he filled it with expensive foods. But this was not enough for him. He wanted more. So he went into politics.

 

Soon the ant was running the neighbourhood. He told other ants that they did not have to share with grasshoppers or help out others. They were better off keeping what they had for themselves. Let the grasshoppers solve their own problems.

 

The ants collected more and more food. Soon there was not enough to go around and the grasshoppers began to go hungry. They pleaded for help but the ants were too busy eating to listen. The more they had, the more they wanted, and they began changing the rules to ensure that less and less went to the grasshoppers. They bought up all the houses in the neighbourhood and sold them back to the highest bidders. The grasshoppers could no longer afford them. They taxed any income the grasshoppers earned, but not the profits they themselves made from the houses or other investments. As more and more of the pie went to them, there was less and less for the grasshoppers.

 

As the grasshoppers became impoverished and ill and homeless, their social cohesion disintegrated and they became victims of crime and violence. Their young turned to drugs and joined gangs in order to survive. Suicide rates shot up. The happy and carefree world they once knew was gone.

 

The grasshoppers pleaded for social justice, but the ants said their plight was their own fault. They had no-one to blame for being poor but themselves. They should get a job. They should drink less alcohol and smoke less tobacco and take fewer holidays.

 

But for grasshoppers there were not so many jobs, and the ones that did exist were mainly serving hamburgers to the ants, or working in their supermarkets. The pay was not enough to live on. Sometimes they had second jobs, and even third ones, but the pay was still not enough to live on. They could not afford a proper home. They could not afford to see the doctor. This was the world the ants had made.

 

When the next neighbourhood election was due, the ants were filled with confidence. Although their first leader had moved on to enjoy his plunder, they had a new one who was a safe pair of antennae. The grasshopper opposition was in disarray, hopelessly out of touch with the electorate. But then something happened. Out of the ashes of their destroyed world rose a new, charismatic leader, a beacon of hope, a Jacinda of Ardernia. Under her visionary and inspirational leadership the selfish and greedy ants were routed and justice returned to the neighbourhood. There was much that had to be repaired and rebuilt to heal the damage that had been done, but the neighbours united with a new sense of purpose and they knew things could only get better.

 

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2017

 

 





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


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  # 1857570 3-Sep-2017 12:42
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"Whats the Key to this"

 

Both of you get 10/10 for creativity


 
 
 
 


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  # 1857598 3-Sep-2017 13:13
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gulfa:

 

"Whats the Key to this"

 

Both of you get 10/10 for creativity

 

 

Agree, and you can now add another recent event to the story. All ants who rent out their houses to grasshoppers need to know that grasshoppers can't be evicted for no cause and the 42-day notice period (now allowed in limited cases) has now been increased to 90 days etc etc.

 

So, all grasshoppers should vote for Jacinderella so they can stay in ants' houses, protected from the real world and safe in the knowledge that the evil ants are going to find it harder and harder to ever get rid of them!

 

In this way, the houses of the evil ants will in effect be owned by the lovely grasshoppers who can continue their journeys in fairyland, do no work, and claim all the Government benefits, and be encouraged and watched safely over by the lovely Jacinderella.




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  # 1857610 3-Sep-2017 13:43
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Welcome to the writer's collective. I checked out the link you included but don't actually see anything all that bad about it. Tenants who make minor alterations still have to put things back the way they were when they leave. I don't think 90 days notice is unreasonable if you consider how disruptive it can be for a family to have to move house. I also don't think it is unreasonable to require a justification for eviction considering the effect this has on the evicted. What isn't clear from the article is what kinds of reasons would be considered justifiable, but evicting someone just because you don't like them doesn't seem fair to me. I would need to know more about the details, but as reported it seem to me that the rights of the property owner are still intact. Of course if the changes make property owners reluctant to rent at all, that would be an unwelcome consequence.

 

 





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  # 1857614 3-Sep-2017 14:06
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"fewer human rights than others" Paula Bennet quote referring to Gang members.  I hope we never go down this trail everybody should have the same Human rights,  What"s wrong with this woman.

 

Is this why there is a petition against her? While I am concerned about the action of criminals and would like to see  this being dealt with seriously surely we don't want to go down this path.How do we define Gangs. 

 

A new can of worms? Is this the policy of the present Government? 


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We now have a minister who is suggesting the human rights of gangs should be changed. I do not support gang culture and realise action must be taken but locking them in jail has not proved to be successful. We need to look for other answers. I would suggest that many of the members in gangs are looking for love and security which they have not had in their early lives. We need to address this problem first.We need to make sure the next generation of children are given this love and security Look at successful families and see the time they spend with their children unfortunately many of those lees fortunate than us (middle income) are struggling to survive and in many cases cant afford take their children to activities that many of us do. The expense is way beyond their incomes. (yes I know many communities have parks and playgrounds) But children need a wide variety avtivites and many are way beyond the incomes of the lower socio-economic group. I could go on and on but I hope the message is getting through. Children need love and security and there will be less chance of them drifting into these unfortunate groups. Quote " the more time you spend with your children when they are young the less they will need you as they mature"

These are not the only people dealing in drugs and committing serious crime. Some are living in lifestyles that most of us will never achieve. Are we going to remove the human rights of these. While we all agree we need to address these serious problems, Human rights must never be adjusted to suit even the majority of our society. Where will this end.

The justice system we have which may not be perfect deals with most serious criminals fairly well with exceptions. Change the law if necessary but make sure it applies to ALL not just to gangs.

 

It is interesting to hear the PM has retracted her comments . I wonder whether we will see the same response from people who jumped on Jacinda when she reprimanded her members for stepping out of line.


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  # 1857940 4-Sep-2017 10:14
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gulfa:

 


We now have a minister who is suggesting the human rights of gangs should be changed.

 

 

I don't think thats really true and I think you may have taken things slightly out of context.

 

She said

 

some have fewer human rights than others when they are creating a string of victims behind them.

 

gulfa:

 

I hope we never go down this trail everybody should have the same Human rights,  What"s wrong with this woman.

 

I agreee with what she has said. Not everyone is entitled to the same human rights. When a person, abuses/takes away the basic human rights of another, then IMO its time that that person loses some of their basic human rights too.

 

I have no issues with what is being proposed here. No issues with throwing murderers, druglorgs, rapists etc into jail. And hell they should not have the right to vote either. Food should be a luxury, perhaps they can keep the right to breath, which is still more rights than their victim may have been given.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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Wiggum:

 

 

 

I agreee with what she has said. Not everyone is entitled to the same human rights. When a person, abuses/takes away the basic human rights of another, then IMO its time that that person loses some of their basic human rights too.

 

I have no issues with what is being proposed here. No issues with throwing murderers, druglorgs, rapists etc into jail. And hell they should not have the right to vote either. Food should be a luxury, perhaps they can keep the right to breath, which is still more rights than their victim may have been given.

 

 

And now an opinion piece from someone who actually knows what they're talking about: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11916458.


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  # 1857976 4-Sep-2017 11:14
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jonathan18:

 

 

 

And now an opinion piece from someone who actually knows what they're talking about: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11916458.

 

 

It seems all he is asking for are even more lenient policies on drug dealers and violent crime. Its nothing more that an opinion that offers nothing really much. Just criticisms. no proposed solutions.


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Wiggum:

 

jonathan18:

 

 

 

And now an opinion piece from someone who actually knows what they're talking about: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11916458.

 

 

It seems all he is asking for are even more lenient policies on drug dealers and violent crime. Its nothing more that an opinion that offers nothing really much. Just criticisms. no proposed solutions.

 

 

 

 

Maybe I missed it but nowhere in that article do I see the author asking for more lenient policies on crime or drug dealers. What I do see is an author pointing out the issues that arise should these ideas of less rights for subgroups become policy. It isn't just gang members who would be affected. As a conservative I'm surprised you aren't more concerned with this threat against citizen's rights.


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  # 1858354 4-Sep-2017 18:51
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Mea culpa: according to an article I just read, rights are less important to conservatives than social order and security even if that is at the expense of freedom, rights and equality.

 

Looks like you're consistent after all.


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  # 1858375 4-Sep-2017 19:16
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JayADee:

 

Mea culpa: according to an article I just read, rights are less important to conservatives than social order and security even if that is at the expense of freedom, rights and equality.

 

Looks like you're consistent after all.

 

 

Except when it comes to the rights of the unborn, conservatives normally value those as equal. But that's an entirely different discussion.

 

Fear always has the ability to turn any bleeding heart liberal into a conservative. It does not matter which side of the political scale you think you sit.

 

 


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  # 1858528 4-Sep-2017 22:19
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Fred99:

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gulfa:


https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96382718


Here is a link about actual facts about a couple of questions put to the leaders about productivity, Housing stc


Might put some perspective into the comments being made by some of you who know so much or so little



Saw that, she got apprenticships wrong, the rest was Bill. Water, depends whose report you read or of it was after the standards for eColi for drinking were raised



I'm not sure at all if she "got it wrong".


There is a problem with the apprenticeship system, and it's not easy - despite supposedly high demand - for pre-trades graduates to get apprenticeship positions.


Average age of working qualified builders, electricians, plumbers, is about 55.  In 10 years time half of them will be at retirement age.  Not enough replacements are coming through.



I’m sorry but that’s not quite how averages work? For the “average age” to be 55, there are as many older than 55 as there are younger (and considering ‘younger’ could be as much as 30 years younger, and older only likely up to 15 years older, the weighting is that MANY more are likely to retire in the next three to FIVE years, and make the current likelihood of getting a job in this area significantly more likely!

Now if the ‘normal’ age is 55, you’d be (slightly) closer to 10 years but even that would be a very skewed bell curve too!



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I see our glorious FTA media companies are both refusing to provide sign language services for the election debates despite this being standard practice for most of the civilised world. I'm sorry to admit that I hadn't really noticed until I saw an item in the paper today about a protest and the Human Rights Commissioner getting involved. This kind of small-minded pettiness is despicable in my opinion. They are just trying to save a few bucks. Deaf interpreters are standard practice elsewhere. Thanks to the Greens we now even have one in Parliament. 

 

I guess mean-spiritedness is still the norm in New Zealand, at least where the disabled are involved. TVNZ and TV graffiti have made it abundantly clear that they do not consider such people worthy of full citizenship rights. I guess if you don't have all your arms and legs and eyes and ears you are not a real human being, at least not one good enough to cast an informed vote.

 

 





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Are they having captions?!

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