When will labour ever learn? You do not attract voters if you proposing tax increases.

Wiggum:

 

When will labour ever learn? You do not attract voters if you proposing tax increases.

 

Waterways and/or roading?  If someone had not left both to rot, there would be no multi year catchup to have to do. If you defer much required expenditure as has been the case, you wont need tax increases. If you took care of matters annually, you wont need tax increases, that hasnt happened. Analogy is doing no maintenance on your house for a long long time. You then cannot fund that from weekly salary over a period, you need big money, same thing

Do you honestly think they want to? They have to now, or leave the congested roads and dirty waterways as they are and do a bit each year forever and still be behind the eight ball

Wiggum:

 

When will labour ever learn? You do not attract voters if you proposing tax increases.

 

A polite suggestion. Before you answer with all guns blazing to cut down any party you do not like, first think about the core issue. Believe it or not, all MP's want whats best for NZ, many are very talented, on all sides. They arent a group of wonderful people in anyone's chosen party, and dorks in all other parties.

tdgeek:

 

 

 

Do you honestly think they want to? They have to now, or leave the congested roads and dirty waterways as they are and do a bit each year forever and still be behind the eight ball

 

I'm quiet happy with the state of our waterways. Its been blown out of proportion by the tree huggers. Maybe you should go do some traveling to see how lucky we are in NZ.

As for our roads, this is not a problem unique to NZ, congestion happens everywhere. At least the current government has got some major roading projects going. Kapiti Expressway, transmission gully in Wellington are just two. It would have been far worse if nothing was done to our roads over the last 8 years. Note, that all of this work has happened without tax increases! In fact, taxes have come down.

My point is nobody will swing from the right to vote labour if labour is proposing more taxes. Labour needs the votes from the right, the shuffling left will not be enough.

Perhaps the 25%+ who didn't vote last time will get off their backsides and make a change This will be the challenge for all parties.

tdgeek:

 

 

 

A polite suggestion. Before you answer with all guns blazing to cut down any party you do not like, first think about the core issue.

 

IMO there is no issue with our current waterways. Congestion is debatable, but that's going to be a hard one for any government to fix.

Wiggum:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

Do you honestly think they want to? They have to now, or leave the congested roads and dirty waterways as they are and do a bit each year forever and still be behind the eight ball

 

 

I'm quiet happy with the state of our waterways. Its been blown out of proportion by the tree huggers. Maybe you should go do some traveling to see how lucky we are in NZ.

 

As for our roads, this is not a problem unique to NZ, congestion happens everywhere. At least the current government has got some major roading projects going. Kapiti Expressway, transmission gully in Wellington are just two. It would have been far worse if nothing was done to our roads over the last 8 years. Note, that all of this work has happened without tax increases! In fact, taxes have come down.

 

My point is nobody will swing from the right to vote labour if labour is proposing more taxes. Labour needs the votes from the right, the shuffling left will not be enough.

 

I am going to suggest the same to  as to an example you say you are on the Kapiti Coast, hop in a car or cycle  and go have a look at the Manawatu River. I would suggest instead of being flippant about people who care for our only viable home you go have a look around. Our water ways are a disgrace and

a danger to our health and prosperity. 

MikeB4:

 

 

 

I am going to suggest the same to  as to an example you say you are on the Kapiti Coast, hop in a car or cycle  and go have a look at the Manawatu River. I would suggest instead of being flippant about people who care for our only viable home you go have a look around. Our water ways are a disgrace and

 

a danger to our health and prosperity. 

 

I cycle along the Waikanae river every second weekend. Love it, I'm always amazed at the clarity. When friends/family come vising from overseas one of the first things they always comment about is our rivers, and how clean/crystal clear they are. We should be proud of this fact, not turn it into some sort of political football. Most waterways/rivers are simular.

Sure there are some rivers/waterways that need some work. But none are a disgrace/danger. I certainly would not support a tax increase to fix this non problem. There are other issues where I would like to see my tax money go first.

If the rivers were so bad I probably should be dead by now. I have often filled up my cycling water bottle in many of these rivers. The water is awesome, and IMO is even better than our tap water.

Wiggum:

 

MikeB4:

 

 

 

I am going to suggest the same to  as to an example you say you are on the Kapiti Coast, hop in a car or cycle  and go have a look at the Manawatu River. I would suggest instead of being flippant about people who care for our only viable home you go have a look around. Our water ways are a disgrace and

 

a danger to our health and prosperity. 

 

 

I cycle along the Waikanae river every second weekend. Love it, I'm always amazed at the clarity. When friends/family come vising from overseas one of the first things they always comment about is our rivers, and how clean/crystal clear they are. We should be proud of this fact, not turn it into some sort of political football. Most waterways/rivers are simular.

 

Sure there are some rivers/waterways that need some work. But none are a disgrace/danger. I certainly would not support a tax increase to fix this non problem. There are other issues where I would like to see my tax money go first.

 

If the rivers were so bad I probably should be dead by now. I have often filled up my cycling water bottle in many of these rivers. The water is awesome, and IMO is even better than our tap water.

 

I have an in law who is a Scientist for Niwa, He tells me a whole different story, but hey what would they know, I put him in contact with you seem your investigations seem to be at odds with their research, DOCs research etc.

MikeB4:

 

I have an in law who is a Scientist for Niwa, He tells me a whole different story, but hey what would they know, I put him in contact with you seem your investigations seem to be at odds with their research, DOCs research etc.

 

I bet he is one of these ant-fluoride nutters too. No thank you. I'm grownup enough to make my own observations in life.

tdgeek:

 

 

 

Waterways and/or roading?  If someone had not left both to rot, there would be no multi year catchup to have to do. If you defer much required expenditure as has been the case, you wont need tax increases. If you took care of matters annually, you wont need tax increases, that hasnt happened. Analogy is doing no maintenance on your house for a long long time. You then cannot fund that from weekly salary over a period, you need big money, same thing

 

Do you honestly think they want to? They have to now, or leave the congested roads and dirty waterways as they are and do a bit each year forever and still be behind the eight ball

 

Not disagreeing with you, but it is interesting to reflect on the fact that Labour opposed every single roading initiative that the Government has funded over the past three electoral terms.

If they have now changed their tune and recognised the need for on-going maintenance & investment in core infrastructure such as this, then I welcome that!  NZ needs and deserves a credible opposition, not merely one that criticises and blindly opposes the incumbent.

 I have been advised never to drink water from our rivers or streams because of Gardia etc and on all of my school camps I have taken have always advised students not

to drink from rivers or streams unless desperate This was one of our Risk management rules.  If people are doing this, Perhaps it has affected the minds of some of our participants in this forum?

Wiggum:

 

MikeB4:

 

I have an in law who is a Scientist for Niwa, He tells me a whole different story, but hey what would they know, I put him in contact with you seem your investigations seem to be at odds with their research, DOCs research etc.

 

 

I bet he is one of these ant-fluoride nutters too. No thank you. I'm grownup enough to make my own observations in life.

 

That's out of line.

You're also grownup enough to be able to make your point without resorting to name-calling.

6FIEND:

 

Wiggum:

 

MikeB4:

 

I have an in law who is a Scientist for Niwa, He tells me a whole different story, but hey what would they know, I put him in contact with you seem your investigations seem to be at odds with their research, DOCs research etc.

 

 

I bet he is one of these ant-fluoride nutters too. No thank you. I'm grownup enough to make my own observations in life.

 

 

That's out of line.

 

You're also grownup enough to be able to make your point without resorting to name-calling.

 

Fair point, my apologies for the comment. I do think its out of line to just put a scientist onto somebody that has a different view to you. I'm not interested in being contacted by anyone, it may have been polite to ask first.

Some people are so blind in their prejudices that nothing is going to change their mind and I don't think there is much point in trying. Turei is down, so put the boot in and keep kicking. I live in an area that is full of ruined rivers and lakes but why should I bother pointing that out to someone who's mind is already so clearly made up?