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  # 1856678 1-Sep-2017 14:54
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If Labour gets in I expect them to go fine. Income Tax increases are not on the table, that's been stated, and lets face it, tax increases aren't a Labour mantra

 

They will work through their policies, and those that are "vague" will be made less vague, and I expect her to be more transparent than most past Govts. Off course these are my opinions, she and they are not proven and its a different party IMO, not the unionist backed one of old. Nats, if they win I know what to get, so thats fine by me as well

 

Had Little remained, leaving us the disarray party, do you feel that many of Nats policies they have been churning out would exist? I dont. They are anti Jac policies IMO, as this time round they need to fight for the election, unlike recent times. If nothing else, more policies have been forced out, and more will get done, a good thing. A wee kick up the jacksee. Ive read a lot commenting on why now, and not the last 9 years? JA has pushed things along a bit

 

 

You and I are talking taxation differently. There are many types. A Tax on water, a tax on roads. Labour has said they intend on user pays type charges to fund their policies. You might not call that Tax, I call it tax. Just not income tax (directly). It wouldn't surprise me to see they end up in a hole and propose a GST increase, and I expect that would see them out of Parliment (and rightly so). 

 

I don't mind about losing Nationals proposed tax decreases, so long as the money saved goes to things that will improve NZ. I am happy for those to be social type policies. 

 

If Labour lose, she will face a Leadership vote. I am not sure the unionist part of the party (which despite what you are claiming, is still alive and well) is that happy with  the direction she is taking Labour. She might survive it, but it may result in her having to front and curb her approach somewhat. 

 

 

 

 




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tdgeek:

 

If Labour gets in I expect them to go fine. Income Tax increases are not on the table, that's been stated, and lets face it, tax increases aren't a Labour mantra

 

 

I see you conveniently stated Income Tax. Did you conveniently leave off the other proposed taxes? Petrol/Water/Capital Gains?

 

What about the cancellation of the April 2018 tax cut? To me that is a tax increase right there.

 

When it comes to labour in these elections, unfortunately it does seem to be all about tax increases. 

 

 

Not you again, go away.

 

We all know about the taxes ok? How bout you lookup National tax increases in the past?

 

Petrol and water "taxes" are levies for one off projects, common. Ever been on a toll bridge? Ever paid an airport tax for that airport? CGT already exists

 

Income tax is a key tax that everyone would care about hence I mentioned it

 

 


 
 
 
 




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tdgeek:

 

 

 

If Labour gets in I expect them to go fine. Income Tax increases are not on the table, that's been stated, and lets face it, tax increases aren't a Labour mantra

 

They will work through their policies, and those that are "vague" will be made less vague, and I expect her to be more transparent than most past Govts. Off course these are my opinions, she and they are not proven and its a different party IMO, not the unionist backed one of old. Nats, if they win I know what to get, so thats fine by me as well

 

Had Little remained, leaving us the disarray party, do you feel that many of Nats policies they have been churning out would exist? I dont. They are anti Jac policies IMO, as this time round they need to fight for the election, unlike recent times. If nothing else, more policies have been forced out, and more will get done, a good thing. A wee kick up the jacksee. Ive read a lot commenting on why now, and not the last 9 years? JA has pushed things along a bit

 

 

You and I are talking taxation differently. There are many types. A Tax on water, a tax on roads. Labour has said they intend on user pays type charges to fund their policies. You might not call that Tax, I call it tax. Just not income tax (directly). It wouldn't surprise me to see they end up in a hole and propose a GST increase, and I expect that would see them out of Parliment (and rightly so). 

 

I don't mind about losing Nationals proposed tax decreases, so long as the money saved goes to things that will improve NZ. I am happy for those to be social type policies. 

 

If Labour lose, she will face a Leadership vote. I am not sure the unionist part of the party (which despite what you are claiming, is still alive and well) is that happy with  the direction she is taking Labour. She might survive it, but it may result in her having to front and curb her approach somewhat. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To be fair, tax and levy need to be used. Not just tax, but that does suit in an election. A toll bridge is not a tax bridge. National has had its fair share of tax increases, but again, tax is this years buzz word

 

If she was taken apart by the union movement within the party she would step down I feel. She is modern, and there is no place for sign carrying unionists, they are not compatible with today or her

 

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tdgeek:

 

Wiggum:

 

tdgeek:

 

If Labour gets in I expect them to go fine. Income Tax increases are not on the table, that's been stated, and lets face it, tax increases aren't a Labour mantra

 

 

I see you conveniently stated Income Tax. Did you conveniently leave off the other proposed taxes? Petrol/Water/Capital Gains?

 

What about the cancellation of the April 2018 tax cut? To me that is a tax increase right there.

 

When it comes to labour in these elections, unfortunately it does seem to be all about tax increases. 

 

 

Not you again, go away.

 

We all know about the taxes ok? How bout you lookup National tax increases in the past?

 

Petrol and water "taxes" are levies for one off projects, common. Ever been on a toll bridge? Ever paid an airport tax for that airport? CGT already exists

 

Income tax is a key tax that everyone would care about hence I mentioned it

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think he has a fair point. You said Labour wasn't about increasing Taxes, but this election they are. Denying it doesn't make it less true. Lots of pretty well-respected commentators have said it, and JA was taken to task about it and didn't deny it. 

 

These aren't small local taxes either, these are taxes which will remain until they are undone probably by an opposition government.

 

Bottom line is, under Labour, a huge number of NZ'rs will have less in their pockets.

 

 


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To be fair, tax and levy need to be used. Not just tax, but that does suit in an election. A toll bridge is not a tax bridge. National has had its fair share of tax increases, but again, tax is this years buzz word

 

 

Petrol has been called a Petrol Tax for a long time. 

 

Whatever you call it, Labour is intending on funding it's policies right out of the pockets of a significant number of Kiwi's. 

 

 


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tdgeek:

 

 

 

Not you again, go away.

 

We all know about the taxes ok? How bout you lookup National tax increases in the past?

 

Petrol and water "taxes" are levies for one off projects, common. Ever been on a toll bridge? Ever paid an airport tax for that airport? CGT already exists

 

Income tax is a key tax that everyone would care about hence I mentioned it

 

 

Seems like I must have touched a nerve? Lets try and keep this polite please!

 

Petrol and water "taxes" are levies? umm OK. I guess that "airport tax" is not a tax either. I wonder why its called TAX?

 

Labour is all about taxing everything unfortunately. (always been) But then I suppose there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

 

 


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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96385172/labour-to-campaign-on-capital-gains-tax-at-next-electionor-maybe-not--kelvin-davis

 

 

 

I am not sure what her definition of clear is, the only thing that is clear to me, is that they aren't sure. 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1856707 1-Sep-2017 15:07
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

To be fair, tax and levy need to be used. Not just tax, but that does suit in an election. A toll bridge is not a tax bridge. National has had its fair share of tax increases, but again, tax is this years buzz word

 

If she was taken apart by the union movement within the party she would step down I feel. She is modern, and there is no place for sign carrying unionists, they are not compatible with today or her

 

Ill research tax increses later

 

 

Tax is labour and Jacinda's new buzzword unfortunately. Did you listen to the debate last night? Half of it was hijacked by all of these tax proposals.

 

Even Mike pointed it out. tongue-out




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networkn:

 

tdgeek:

 

Wiggum:

 

tdgeek:

 

If Labour gets in I expect them to go fine. Income Tax increases are not on the table, that's been stated, and lets face it, tax increases aren't a Labour mantra

 

 

I see you conveniently stated Income Tax. Did you conveniently leave off the other proposed taxes? Petrol/Water/Capital Gains?

 

What about the cancellation of the April 2018 tax cut? To me that is a tax increase right there.

 

When it comes to labour in these elections, unfortunately it does seem to be all about tax increases. 

 

 

Not you again, go away.

 

We all know about the taxes ok? How bout you lookup National tax increases in the past?

 

Petrol and water "taxes" are levies for one off projects, common. Ever been on a toll bridge? Ever paid an airport tax for that airport? CGT already exists

 

Income tax is a key tax that everyone would care about hence I mentioned it

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think he has a fair point. You said Labour wasn't about increasing Taxes, but this election they are. Denying it doesn't make it less true. Lots of pretty well-respected commentators have said it, and JA was taken to task about it and didn't deny it. 

 

These aren't small local taxes either, these are taxes which will remain until they are undone probably by an opposition government.

 

Bottom line is, under Labour, a huge number of NZ'rs will have less in their pockets.

 

 

 

 

10c petrol tax for a transport project. a teeny tax per litre of water which has already been quoted as cents if that per bottle of wine, not the $75 a National MP tweeted. This obsession with tax is just that, an obsession. he doesnt have a fair point the just wants his tax cuts he said that at the start thats all he wants . At least you and I differ over wanting the best for the country, thats a good thing to debate, not the $6388 someone else wants :-)


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Wiggum:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

Not you again, go away.

 

We all know about the taxes ok? How bout you lookup National tax increases in the past?

 

Petrol and water "taxes" are levies for one off projects, common. Ever been on a toll bridge? Ever paid an airport tax for that airport? CGT already exists

 

Income tax is a key tax that everyone would care about hence I mentioned it

 

 

Seems like I must have touched a nerve.

 

Petrol and water "taxes" are levies? umm OK. I guess that "airport tax" is not a tax either. I wonder why its called TAX?

 

Labour is all about taxing everything unfortunately. (always been) But then I suppose there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Verb, One levies a tax

 

Noun, Levy tax collect Levy





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All governments are about tax unless you are in a country such as Brunei  





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Unless something totally unexpected happens (not unlikely given the way things have gone so far), Labour will lead the next government. Those who are convinced this will mean the end of their way of life, should probably start making emergency plans now. Complain about higher taxes all you like, but if that really is an inevitable consequence, then that is what is going to happen. Better start figuring out how you are going to work with it.

 

 





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MikeB4:

 

 

 

 

 

Verb, One levies a tax

 

Noun, Levy tax collect Levy

 

 

It's largely a point without a difference. Regardless of what you call it, it amounts to the same thing.


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tax   noun plural noun: taxes

 

compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits, or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.

   

 

You can't sugar coat it and call it a levy. Its still tax.


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wasn't disputing that it was not the same just clarifying definitions that's all.

 

I don't have a problem with Labours tax ideas and I applaud their intention to consult.





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