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  Reply # 1841679 9-Aug-2017 10:46
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I kind of like a breath of fresh air.

 

 





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  Reply # 1841700 9-Aug-2017 11:11
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I'm sure this policy isn't an outcome of JA becoming Labour leader, but about ##$@$ time one of the main parties started taking water quality and usage seriously:

 

The Labour Party says it will charge a royalty on commercial freshwater use if it gets into power in September.

 

The revenue it gathers through the royalty would be used to help clean up New Zealand's waterways "within a generation", leader Jacinda Ardern announced today.

 

The party did not say how much industries such as farmers or water bottling companies would pay, but said the royalty would vary depending on water scarcity and quality.

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11900746

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1841701 9-Aug-2017 11:14
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Last video interview I saw of her with Nikki Kaye, she was very far from being anywhere near assertive. The older politicians will wipe the floor with her. If she can't hold her own against domestic opposition, what are her chances internationally? NZ being the low income country, needs leaders who can negotiate in the international stage.

 

Plus she's not won a single election in NZ. Mt.Albert, a traditional labour stronghold, doesn't count as winning.

 

Plus I'm sick of champagne socialists... well, we could say she's not exactly champagne material I suppose, going by this event :

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/events/1609254672727360/ 




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  Reply # 1841782 9-Aug-2017 12:08
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jonathan18:

 

I'm sure this policy isn't an outcome of JA becoming Labour leader, but about ##$@$ time one of the main parties started taking water quality and usage seriously:

 

The Labour Party says it will charge a royalty on commercial freshwater use if it gets into power in September.

 

The revenue it gathers through the royalty would be used to help clean up New Zealand's waterways "within a generation", leader Jacinda Ardern announced today.

 

The party did not say how much industries such as farmers or water bottling companies would pay, but said the royalty would vary depending on water scarcity and quality.

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11900746

 

 

 

 

No idea, but I would assume it was already existing. Oddly, I had a browse thru Nats, Labs and Greens websites last night looking at policies, and there was a decent amount of green and eco stuff at Labours. Got to do it though, not talk about it.


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  Reply # 1841839 9-Aug-2017 13:32
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jonathan18:

 

 

 

The revenue it gathers through the royalty would be used to help clean up New Zealand's waterways "within a generation", leader Jacinda Ardern announced today.

 

 

 

 

Complete ignorance on my part here, but I don't understand why we need revenue to clean up our waterways?

 

Perhaps someone can help me understand?  Surely it's more a question of "stop polluting them" rather than "put them through the wash"...

 

I understand there may be exceptions to this (Eg. oil spills that require "active" clean-up measures) but generally speaking simply dropping the level of contamination entering the waterways will see them improve quickly..

 

(Unless you're envisaging using the revenue to pay for "corporate welfare" to bribe polluters so that they will establish sustainable practices?)   ...just thinking out loud...


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  Reply # 1841844 9-Aug-2017 13:37
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jonathan18:

 

 

 

The revenue it gathers through the royalty would be used to help clean up New Zealand's waterways "within a generation", leader Jacinda Ardern announced today.

 

 

 

 

Complete ignorance on my part here, but I don't understand why we need revenue to clean up our waterways?

 

Perhaps someone can help me understand?  Surely it's more a question of "stop polluting them" rather than "put them through the wash"...

 

I understand there may be exceptions to this (Eg. oil spills that require "active" clean-up measures) but generally speaking simply dropping the level of contamination entering the waterways will see them improve quickly..

 

(Unless you're envisaging using the revenue to pay for "corporate welfare" to bribe polluters so that they will establish sustainable practices?)   ...just thinking out loud...

 

 

 

 

There will be considerable work needed to prevent effluent flow off into the waterways, redirecting any existing discharge rights, cleaning up the waterways similar to what was done to the Waiwhetu Stream in Lower Hutt. That involved removing a large about of sediment and polluted sludge from the water etc.

 

It is not going to be cheap but it is something we have no option with.





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  Reply # 1841881 9-Aug-2017 14:59
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jonathan18:

 

I'm sure this policy isn't an outcome of JA becoming Labour leader, but about ##$@$ time one of the main parties started taking water quality and usage seriously:

 

The Labour Party says it will charge a royalty on commercial freshwater use if it gets into power in September.

 

The revenue it gathers through the royalty would be used to help clean up New Zealand's waterways "within a generation", leader Jacinda Ardern announced today.

 

The party did not say how much industries such as farmers or water bottling companies would pay, but said the royalty would vary depending on water scarcity and quality.

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11900746

 

 

 

 


Does the government own the water?






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  Reply # 1841885 9-Aug-2017 15:07
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jonathan18:

 

I'm sure this policy isn't an outcome of JA becoming Labour leader, but about ##$@$ time one of the main parties started taking water quality and usage seriously:

 

The Labour Party says it will charge a royalty on commercial freshwater use if it gets into power in September.

 

The revenue it gathers through the royalty would be used to help clean up New Zealand's waterways "within a generation", leader Jacinda Ardern announced today.

 

The party did not say how much industries such as farmers or water bottling companies would pay, but said the royalty would vary depending on water scarcity and quality.

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11900746

 

 

 

 


Does the government own the water?

 

 

 

 

There maybe Treaty implications and water rights already given would probably need to be purchased back. The Crown does have sovereignty. 





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Labour up to 33.1% Jacinda Ardern up to 26.3% is a good start for her as Leader





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  Reply # 1843079 9-Aug-2017 21:29
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Labour up to 33.1% Jacinda Ardern up to 26.3% is a good start for her as Leader

 

 

I've not been long home, I get a bunch of alerts re this. Greens are down? 

 

While some blues here dont see anything in her, and I am generally blue, I feel she has the X factor. A  good leader if she turns out that way wont turn me, but these days Labs and Nats are centre, one left one right, its not like the old days REEEED  and BLUUUUUE. I'd label them as pink and aqua

 

To me its the package. 




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She has made a splash going by the latest poll. Labour well up, her at 26% preference as PM, Bill at 27%

 

However, the end of July bad poll for them, had Labour/Green/NZF at just over 50%. Today they are just over 50%. No swing.

 

Its probably no reflection on Greens or NZF, its just her getting Labs numbers up

 

interesting election, whatever your poison is


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I think she will make a good leader. My concern though would be who would deputy? From the way things have been going with the Greens, it looks like labour will need to form a coalition with NZ First. I'm not keen on seeing Winston peters anywhere near such a position.




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I think she will make a good leader. My concern though would be who would deputy? From the way things have been going with the Greens, it looks like labour will need to form a coalition with NZ First. I'm not keen on seeing Winston peters anywhere near such a position.

 

 

Kelvin Davis is the 2IC.

 

Peters is loud and brash, but he's not stupid. he might get into Government, no doubt get a Ministerial post, but he's not an idiot. And he wont have blind control either. Labour should pick and use his knowledge and sound policies and muzzle the rest. She has already muzzled her 2IC's mouth, not unlike Peters actually, so she is strong. This country needs some movers and shakers, and a leader who can keep them under control. Potential if you look past the bluster

 

National needs to go the same way, Bill is too much a wet blanket, had big shoes to fill, and he isnt filling them. Should National lose, a sizeable part of the will be Bill


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Wiggum:

 

I think she will make a good leader. My concern though would be who would deputy? From the way things have been going with the Greens, it looks like labour will need to form a coalition with NZ First. I'm not keen on seeing Winston peters anywhere near such a position.

 

 

Kelvin Davis is the 2IC.

 

Peters is loud and brash, but he's not stupid. he might get into Government, no doubt get a Ministerial post, but he's not an idiot. And he wont have blind control either. Labour should pick and use his knowledge and sound policies and muzzle the rest. She has already muzzled her 2IC's mouth, not unlike Peters actually, so she is strong. This country needs some movers and shakers, and a leader who can keep them under control. Potential if you look past the bluster

 

National needs to go the same way, Bill is too much a wet blanket, had big shoes to fill, and he isnt filling them. Should National lose, a sizeable part of the will be Bill

 

 

If labor need a coalition, it will be Winston as deputy, not Davis. If labour don't need a coalition, Davis will be deputy. Its highly unlikely that Labour will be in a position to call the shots on deputy unless they do extremely well in the election, and beat National at the polls. I wonder if a National/Labour coalition could work?




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  Reply # 1843213 10-Aug-2017 08:49
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Wiggum:

 

tdgeek:

 

Wiggum:

 

I think she will make a good leader. My concern though would be who would deputy? From the way things have been going with the Greens, it looks like labour will need to form a coalition with NZ First. I'm not keen on seeing Winston peters anywhere near such a position.

 

 

Kelvin Davis is the 2IC.

 

Peters is loud and brash, but he's not stupid. he might get into Government, no doubt get a Ministerial post, but he's not an idiot. And he wont have blind control either. Labour should pick and use his knowledge and sound policies and muzzle the rest. She has already muzzled her 2IC's mouth, not unlike Peters actually, so she is strong. This country needs some movers and shakers, and a leader who can keep them under control. Potential if you look past the bluster

 

National needs to go the same way, Bill is too much a wet blanket, had big shoes to fill, and he isnt filling them. Should National lose, a sizeable part of the will be Bill

 

 

If labor need a coalition, it will be Winston as deputy, not Davis. If labour don't need a coalition, Davis will be deputy. Its highly unlikely that Labour will be in a position to call the shots on deputy unless they do extremely well in the election, and beat National at the polls. I wonder if a National/Labour coalition could work?

 

 

If the Greens polled higher they could be deputy. If kingmaker made that a rule, she would decline it, Peters adds value but not as deputy, bugger that. She is better off giving them a good portfolio, and keep her own deputy.


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