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  Reply # 1843214 10-Aug-2017 08:50
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Winston has been Deputy PM and Foreign Affairs Minister in the past. He actually did a good job of Foreign Affairs.





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  Reply # 1843218 10-Aug-2017 08:58
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And while that often happens, look at it this way. he is not the only coalition partner. Does Labour want a deputy that has Peters personality, where he is loved or loathed, or do they want a stable partner as deputy? The Green guy for example? She may change things up, and have Davis, keep Labour top dog and look after the other two in other ways. Stable leadership duo or a rocky one that will last only one term??

 

   


 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1843221 10-Aug-2017 09:00
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Winston has been Deputy PM and Foreign Affairs Minister in the past. He actually did a good job of Foreign Affairs.

 

 

Correct. He can add a lot of value, he isn't all bluster. I dont feel that him as deputy is a united front. Its too rocky for my liking. I also feel that JA may get innovative, there are no rules.


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  Reply # 1843222 10-Aug-2017 09:01
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 When it comes to coalitions in a tight election the rules go out the door in the lolly scramble. I truly believe who ever is Government after this election will not last three years.





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  Reply # 1843226 10-Aug-2017 09:12
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 When it comes to coalitions in a tight election the rules go out the door in the lolly scramble. I truly believe who ever is Government after this election will not last three years.

 

 

The problem with Winston is that he will play both sides, ie National or labour, he does not care. He will side with the party that offers him the most benefit. I don't see him turning down a deputy PM position, from either party. King maker's will be kingmakers.


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  Reply # 1843228 10-Aug-2017 09:14
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Wiggum:

 

MikeB4:

 

 When it comes to coalitions in a tight election the rules go out the door in the lolly scramble. I truly believe who ever is Government after this election will not last three years.

 

 

The problem with Winston is that he will play both sides, ie National or labour, he does not care. He will side with the party that offers him the most benefit. I don't see him turning down a deputy PM position, from either party. King maker's will be kingmakers.

 

 

 

 

I don't see an issue with that. NZ First is a centre party , both Labour and National are centre parties. 





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  Reply # 1843240 10-Aug-2017 09:24
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Wiggum:

 

MikeB4:

 

 When it comes to coalitions in a tight election the rules go out the door in the lolly scramble. I truly believe who ever is Government after this election will not last three years.

 

 

The problem with Winston is that he will play both sides, ie National or labour, he does not care. He will side with the party that offers him the most benefit. I don't see him turning down a deputy PM position, from either party. King maker's will be kingmakers.

 

 

Maybe. This might be his last option. Be in Govt or Opposition? he will choose Govt. The Greens can also play the game as Kingmaker. "We cannot support this Labour/NZF coalition. They could well seek support on eco policies with National. They cant govern, but they do want their eco policies to move forward. Or enforce what they want to go to Labour/NZF. There are KingSmakers at play here, it seems very clear on the outside but there are many combos that avail some parties what they want. Look at Maori party, they went where they get action, not where they align to. They may also be in play to flip flop back




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MikeB4:

 

Wiggum:

 

MikeB4:

 

 When it comes to coalitions in a tight election the rules go out the door in the lolly scramble. I truly believe who ever is Government after this election will not last three years.

 

 

The problem with Winston is that he will play both sides, ie National or labour, he does not care. He will side with the party that offers him the most benefit. I don't see him turning down a deputy PM position, from either party. King maker's will be kingmakers.

 

 

 

 

I don't see an issue with that. NZ First is a centre party , both Labour and National are centre parties. 

 

 

Nail on the head. This isnt the old days where Labour was very left and National were very blue. Removing the Greens leftist social policies, their green polices are not left, centre or right, they are environmental policies for all of us.


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  Reply # 1843705 10-Aug-2017 18:21
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Wiggum:

 

MikeB4:

 

 When it comes to coalitions in a tight election the rules go out the door in the lolly scramble. I truly believe who ever is Government after this election will not last three years.

 

 

The problem with Winston is that he will play both sides, ie National or labour, he does not care. He will side with the party that offers him the most benefit. I don't see him turning down a deputy PM position, from either party. King maker's will be kingmakers.

 

 

 

 

Well, there are actually two sides to this. I see it partly as a power grab for him, he LOVES attention and those sort of people don't usually make good representatives. He's not particularly diplomatic which doesn't suit foreign affairs minister. 

 

The other side of the coin, is that if Greens had a similar approach to work with whomever gets into Government, they would have a far greater chance of getting the air of the Government and being in a stronger position to lobby for the policy changes which the voters voted them in to get. 

 

Instead, they sulk in the corner and refuse to play with the big kids. It does give the impression to a lot of people that they aren't really in the real world which makes people discount not only their crazy ideas (printing money anyone?!?!) but those which NZ is in desperate need of. 

 

I know it's not the case in reality, but Parliment shouldn't be a place of ego, it should be a place of representing, of a willngness to compromise and to achieve as much as you can.

 

 


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  Reply # 1843706 10-Aug-2017 18:23
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 When it comes to coalitions in a tight election the rules go out the door in the lolly scramble. I truly believe who ever is Government after this election will not last three years.

 

 

Do you mean Leader? I am not sure how you'd remove a majority government inside a 3 year period, there would have to be some serious and I mean very serious breaches of all sorts of rules. 

 

I'd be kind of interested to hear what you think will happen to JA? 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1843711 10-Aug-2017 18:40
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networkn:

 

MikeB4:

 

 When it comes to coalitions in a tight election the rules go out the door in the lolly scramble. I truly believe who ever is Government after this election will not last three years.

 

 

Do you mean Leader? I am not sure how you'd remove a majority government inside a 3 year period, there would have to be some serious and I mean very serious breaches of all sorts of rules. 

 

I'd be kind of interested to hear what you think will happen to JA? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't believe we will see a majority Government, we will see a tacked together coalition of three or four party's and the coalition will crumble within the three years.





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networkn:

 

 

 

I see it partly as a power grab for him, he LOVES attention and those sort of people don't usually make good representatives. He's not particularly diplomatic which doesn't suit foreign affairs minister. 

 

 

 

 

Winston has been foreign affairs minister before (2005-2008). By all accounts he was very effective. He was also effective as Treasurer and deputy Prime Minister until the coup by Shipley and subsequent changes in policy, destroyed the coalition of the late 90s. He has been effective in serving his constituency (Super Gold Card being his biggest example).

 

Just becasue he sees god in the mirror doesn't make him ineffective.


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networkn:

 

 

 

I see it partly as a power grab for him, he LOVES attention and those sort of people don't usually make good representatives. He's not particularly diplomatic which doesn't suit foreign affairs minister. 

 

 

 

 

Winston has been foreign affairs minister before (2005-2008). By all accounts he was very effective. He was also effective as Treasurer and deputy Prime Minister until the coup by Shipley and subsequent changes in policy, destroyed the coalition of the late 90s. He has been effective in serving his constituency (Super Gold Card being his biggest example).

 

Just becasue he sees god in the mirror doesn't make him ineffective.

 

 

 

 

Winston is probably the most experienced MP in the House right now. He is a survivor, he will adapt to gain a good position for NZ First and Winston Peters. He could be a good partner for Jacinda Ardern and give balance to a coalition.





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Handle9:

 

networkn:

 

 

 

I see it partly as a power grab for him, he LOVES attention and those sort of people don't usually make good representatives. He's not particularly diplomatic which doesn't suit foreign affairs minister. 

 

 

 

 

Winston has been foreign affairs minister before (2005-2008). By all accounts he was very effective. He was also effective as Treasurer and deputy Prime Minister until the coup by Shipley and subsequent changes in policy, destroyed the coalition of the late 90s. He has been effective in serving his constituency (Super Gold Card being his biggest example).

 

Just becasue he sees god in the mirror doesn't make him ineffective.

 

 

Well, it's kind of interesting because I don't really recall a single thing Winston did as foreign affairs minister, but to be fair I was somewhat younger and may not have been paying as much attention. I can't recall much other than the gold card thing he did good, and mostly I remember him by making promises he had *no* way of keeping to get into parliament and his outlandish and somewhat offensive behaviour over the years. I met him once and he made my skin crawl. His brother however, I got a great vibe from even though I didn't agree with much he said. 

 

One of the things that happens when I meet politicians is that I get the impression many of them are slimey and dishonest. Not all, and some to some lesser degree. I haven't yet decided if politics draws slime, or makes slime or both.

 

I could possibly live with him as deputy PM under National, but I really struggle to see him being a team player for either major party. 

 

 




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Handle9:

 

networkn:

 

 

 

I see it partly as a power grab for him, he LOVES attention and those sort of people don't usually make good representatives. He's not particularly diplomatic which doesn't suit foreign affairs minister. 

 

 

 

 

Winston has been foreign affairs minister before (2005-2008). By all accounts he was very effective. He was also effective as Treasurer and deputy Prime Minister until the coup by Shipley and subsequent changes in policy, destroyed the coalition of the late 90s. He has been effective in serving his constituency (Super Gold Card being his biggest example).

 

Just becasue he sees god in the mirror doesn't make him ineffective.

 

 

I agree. He is a mover and shaker and he's nit an a$$hole. This country needs movers not agreers that take 10 minutes to say nothing. JK BE, Little and so on and so on. 


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