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# 222552 17-Aug-2017 09:45
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Maybe I'm naive, because I've been out of the game for a while.

I've come across anti-fascist "antifa" merchandise, such as t-shirts and stickers, with pictures of Ivo Lola Ribar.

Ivo Lola Ribar died during WW2, a Yugoslav communist politician and WW2 military leader.

He was literally anti-fascist and anti-Nazi in that he fought against Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

I'd say Ivo is was more pro-Allies, Communist than anti-fascist.

I'm guessing Ivo is the, well frankly, ignorant hipsters equivalent of Che Guevara.

As an aside, I remember talking in college to a hipster who had Pol Pot t-shirt, without knowing about his massacre of intellectuals and city residents. She wasn't being ironic; She had no idea of she would have probably been killed if she lived in Cambodia at the time.


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  # 1847938 17-Aug-2017 10:04
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And speaking of ignorant

How Many Americans Know Where North Korea Is?

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  # 1847945 17-Aug-2017 10:24
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American ignorance is so well-known it doesn't even surprise anymore. Americans must be the most uninformed people in the so-called 'developed' world.

 

 





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  # 1847952 17-Aug-2017 10:52
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Jimmy Kimmel, Jay Leno, and other TV hosts, usually interview Californians knowledge.

According to the NAEP, "California's average score is significantly lower than the [US] national public."

It's worse than a number of "deep South" states.

However if you ask a typical Californian "Which Kardashian family member was arrested for a DUI and served jail time, and in what year?", they'd probably do well ;)

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/profiles/stateprofile?chort=1&sub=MAT&sj=&sfj=NP&st=MN&year=2015R3

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  # 1848052 17-Aug-2017 13:54
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kingdragonfly:

I'm guessing Ivo is the, well frankly, ignorant hipsters equivalent of Che Guevara.

 

I don't have the impression that there's a strong correlation between "hipster" and "antifa".

 

In fact the reverse - there seems to be an association between hipster and the organised alt-right movement (as opposed to fascist/white supremacist thugs, skinheads etc).


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  # 1848214 17-Aug-2017 19:56
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Fred99:

 

kingdragonfly:

I'm guessing Ivo is the, well frankly, ignorant hipsters equivalent of Che Guevara.

 

I don't have the impression that there's a strong correlation between "hipster" and "antifa".

 

In fact the reverse - there seems to be an association between hipster and the organised alt-right movement (as opposed to fascist/white supremacist thugs, skinheads etc).

 

 

Urban dictionary has some good associations.

 

One of my favourites ....... "Harbors a social superiority with lack of civility or natural intelligence". Well bugger me ....... exactly the same as a right wing extremist!

 

Ain't life funny ....... until you grow older and realize you have heard these arguments time and time again and NOTHING has changed.


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  # 1848259 17-Aug-2017 21:38
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Rikkitic:

American ignorance is so well-known it doesn't even surprise anymore. Americans must be the most uninformed people in the so-called 'developed' world.


 



WHOA! Watch what you say, even though I agreed with you. We could be classed as racist!

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  # 1848262 17-Aug-2017 21:51
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American ignorance extends across all races.

 

 





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  # 1848319 18-Aug-2017 08:25
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DaveB:

 

Fred99:

 

kingdragonfly:

I'm guessing Ivo is the, well frankly, ignorant hipsters equivalent of Che Guevara.

 

I don't have the impression that there's a strong correlation between "hipster" and "antifa".

 

In fact the reverse - there seems to be an association between hipster and the organised alt-right movement (as opposed to fascist/white supremacist thugs, skinheads etc).

 

 

Urban dictionary has some good associations.

 

One of my favourites ....... "Harbors a social superiority with lack of civility or natural intelligence". Well bugger me ....... exactly the same as a right wing extremist!

 

Ain't life funny ....... until you grow older and realize you have heard these arguments time and time again and NOTHING has changed.

 

 

Urban dictionary is a waste of space for the purposes you're using it.  The definition contributions by far right individuals of their "opposition" might be "amusing" to people like you - but are of course they are wildly off the mark.

 

 


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  # 1848460 18-Aug-2017 11:04
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Fred99:

 

DaveB:

 

 

 

Urban dictionary has some good associations.

 

One of my favourites ....... "Harbors a social superiority with lack of civility or natural intelligence". Well bugger me ....... exactly the same as a right wing extremist!

 

Ain't life funny ....... until you grow older and realize you have heard these arguments time and time again and NOTHING has changed.

 

 

Urban dictionary is a waste of space for the purposes you're using it.  The definition contributions by far right individuals of their "opposition" might be "amusing" to people like you - but are of course they are wildly off the mark. 

 

 

Gosh I certainly hope you are not suggesting I have far right tendencies, because nothing could be farther from the truth. To a centrist like me, yes I do it find it amusing, but also quite sad. I find it amusing because extremists generally exhibit a very obvious (and generally ill placed) social superiority and lack of civility. More importantly there is often displayed an inability to step back for a few minutes and fully consider another's point of view. Read my post again. It is not a swing at just the alt left, nor is it a swing at just the alt right. It is a swing at both extremes. 


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  # 1848480 18-Aug-2017 11:41
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DaveB:

 

Fred99:

 

DaveB:

 

 

 

Urban dictionary has some good associations.

 

One of my favourites ....... "Harbors a social superiority with lack of civility or natural intelligence". Well bugger me ....... exactly the same as a right wing extremist!

 

Ain't life funny ....... until you grow older and realize you have heard these arguments time and time again and NOTHING has changed.

 

 

Urban dictionary is a waste of space for the purposes you're using it.  The definition contributions by far right individuals of their "opposition" might be "amusing" to people like you - but are of course they are wildly off the mark. 

 

 

Gosh I certainly hope you are not suggesting I have far right tendencies, because nothing could be farther from the truth. To a centrist like me, yes I do it find it amusing, but also quite sad. I find it amusing because extremists generally exhibit a very obvious (and generally ill placed) social superiority and lack of civility. More importantly there is often displayed an inability to step back for a few minutes and fully consider another's point of view. Read my post again. It is not a swing at just the alt left, nor is it a swing at just the alt right. It is a swing at both extremes. 

 

 

The problem I have is that the POTUS and alt:right are - with some success - portraying all people opposed to fascism as members of an organised "antifa" movement.

 

Being a "little bit fascist" or "a little bit racist" - even if that's unconscious - actually isn't okay.  There is no valid defense for that, and it's absolutely not "extremist" to resist.  

 

 

 

 


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