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  Reply # 1850073 21-Aug-2017 23:07
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Wiggum: PC nonsense aside, IMO we all (including politicians) should all be able to say/ask whatever we like when it comes to elections (hate speech aside). Ministers/MP's who are easily offended, should probably rather seek a career change.



This is a personal bugbear of mine. Avoiding "PC nonsense" really just means don't be an a$$hole. If a politician can't communicate effectively without behaving like a 14 year old school boy then I have to question their competence.

Politics is inherently about communication and leadership. Just as the moral majority got on their soap box about how Metira Turei botched her message about beneficiaries so do other groups complain about Morgan using a lame phrase which could obviously be offensive to a woman leader.

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Pig on a lipstick comment is by no means offensive. But then, some people these days will get offended no matter what you say.

 

Politics is a dirty business, and comments such of these are perfectly normal. At least Jacinda is not taking offense, which shows she is the better person. No need for the PC brigade to jump onto this one.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1850149 22-Aug-2017 08:52
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Wiggum:

 

Pig on a lipstick comment is by no means offensive. But then, some people these days will get offended no matter what you say.

 

Politics is a dirty business, and comments such of these are perfectly normal. At least Jacinda is not taking offense, which shows she is the better person. No need for the PC brigade to jump onto this one.

 

 

Rubbish. Its a childish comment. I am sure as an adult he could articulate it in other ways, but OTOH its good for the population to view immaturity before they cast their vote

 

 

 

In NZ politics isnt a dirty business, it is in the US, and Im not referring to Trump. US elections are typically dirty laundry to eliminate the other person.

 

Edit, maybe you should castigate English and Bennett for being the PC brigade, given they admonished the comment?


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  Reply # 1850153 22-Aug-2017 09:03
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

In NZ politics isnt a dirty business, it is in the US, and Im not referring to Trump.

 

 

What NZ are you living in? Take off those rose tinted sunglasses for once.

 

Some of our politicians are really no different to US politicians, think Winston, dirty Kim dot Com etc..


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  Reply # 1850157 22-Aug-2017 09:14
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Wiggum:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

In NZ politics isnt a dirty business, it is in the US, and Im not referring to Trump.

 

 

What NZ are you living in? Take off those rose tinted sunglasses for once.

 

Some of our politicians are really no different to US politicians, think Winston, dirty Kim dot Com etc..

 

 

Get over it. If you cannot see how US politicians are in elections you should watch, state elections especially

 

Or maybe you just prefer to disagree with everyone, given the types of responses that seem to be head your way

 

KDC isnt a politician, neither are the other silly parties that get created most years


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  Reply # 1850164 22-Aug-2017 09:27
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

KDC isnt a politician, neither are the other silly parties that get created most years

 

 

The point you missing is that Gareth's "Lipstick on a pig" comment is the kind of thing that would be heard in US politics too. Its dirty politics. 

 

Of course KDC is a politician. Not an MP, but also the founder of the Internet party. I expect lots more to come from Kim over the next few weeks.

 

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/vote2017/kim-dotcom-returns-to-politics/

 

 


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  Reply # 1850175 22-Aug-2017 09:42
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Wiggum:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

KDC isnt a politician, neither are the other silly parties that get created most years

 

 

The point you missing is that Gareth's "Lipstick on a pig" comment is the kind of thing that would be heard in US politics too. Its dirty politics. 

 

Of course KDC is a politician. Not an MP, but also the founder of the Internet party. I expect lots more to come from Kim over the next few weeks.

 

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/vote2017/kim-dotcom-returns-to-politics/

 

 

 

 

OMG

 

The point you are missing is that we rarely play dirty politics. In the US thats all it is

 

Off course KDC is not a politician in the real world sense of the word, unless you also call the people that start the little silly parties, also politicians? They jjust play silly little games for fun. Some of us wish to discuss real world issues, not silly stuff

 

As to KDC I hope not, thats just a joke. real politicians run this country not play ones


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  Reply # 1850185 22-Aug-2017 09:55
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tdgeek:

 

Wiggum:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

KDC isnt a politician, neither are the other silly parties that get created most years

 

 

The point you missing is that Gareth's "Lipstick on a pig" comment is the kind of thing that would be heard in US politics too. Its dirty politics. 

 

Of course KDC is a politician. Not an MP, but also the founder of the Internet party. I expect lots more to come from Kim over the next few weeks.

 

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/vote2017/kim-dotcom-returns-to-politics/

 

 

 

 

OMG

 

The point you are missing is that we rarely play dirty politics. In the US thats all it is

 

Off course KDC is not a politician in the real world sense of the word, unless you also call the people that start the little silly parties, also politicians? They jjust play silly little games for fun. Some of us wish to discuss real world issues, not silly stuff

 

As to KDC I hope not, thats just a joke. real politicians run this country not play ones

 

 

Before you write off the Internet party, as just another "silly little party", you may want to go and have a look at some of their policies.

 

Some of them are actually quiet good, and are in fact "real world" issues. What about the Privacy and Internet Freedom policy, or Copyright Reform and CC? If its your opinion that these are silly little non world issues then your head is really very far in the sand. Kim Dot Com is a politician, and he has some good proposed policies. Other than that, he is also a crook, and a disgrace to our political system. A dirty politician, and probably one of the dirties of the lot.

 

You left out Winston.


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  Reply # 1850187 22-Aug-2017 09:59
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Kim Dot Com is playing games and mocking the country that has given him haven. 





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  Reply # 1850190 22-Aug-2017 10:04
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MikeB4:

 

Kim Dot Com is playing games and mocking the country that has given him haven. 

 

 

I agree, and we should have given him the boot a long time ago. But he has probably logged his citizen application by now and we now never get rid of him.




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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11909160

 

The above article gives an update on the "lipstick on the pig" comment. Here's an extract:

 

"Labour and Jacinda Ardern might scrape into power as long as they don't speak about policy and keep the feeling of change rolling for another month.

 

I thought the "lipstick on a pig" controversy was manipulated magnificently by the left, keeping the focus on feelings and not facts. Gareth Morgan's message was vote on policies not personalities. Fair enough. But the debate became centred on the second part of his tweet, which was a mildly offensive mis-placed euphemism. Was the left really horrified by the phrase? Or were the howls of outrage just noise to cover Labour's Achilles heel of policy?"

 

 


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frednz:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11909160

 

The above article gives an update on the "lipstick on the pig" comment. Here's an extract:

 

"Labour and Jacinda Ardern might scrape into power as long as they don't speak about policy and keep the feeling of change rolling for another month.

 

I thought the "lipstick on a pig" controversy was manipulated magnificently by the left, keeping the focus on feelings and not facts. Gareth Morgan's message was vote on policies not personalities. Fair enough. But the debate became centred on the second part of his tweet, which was a mildly offensive mis-placed euphemism. Was the left really horrified by the phrase? Or were the howls of outrage just noise to cover Labour's Achilles heel of policy?"

 

 

Very true, I think many people these days are far too be easily offended. Regular comments/words nowadays like, "my wife",  "man", "woman", "lady", "housewife", "man power" are deemed offensive. Its crazy.

 

I think it boils down to the fact that the left is more interested in creating "safe places". We have created a society that is so easily offended and so focused on petty little problems. We more focused on what comes out of other peoples mouths. The focus is therefore shifted to these petty problems instead of focusing on all of our real problems at hand.

 

 


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Wiggum:

 

frednz:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11909160

 

The above article gives an update on the "lipstick on the pig" comment. Here's an extract:

 

"Labour and Jacinda Ardern might scrape into power as long as they don't speak about policy and keep the feeling of change rolling for another month.

 

I thought the "lipstick on a pig" controversy was manipulated magnificently by the left, keeping the focus on feelings and not facts. Gareth Morgan's message was vote on policies not personalities. Fair enough. But the debate became centred on the second part of his tweet, which was a mildly offensive mis-placed euphemism. Was the left really horrified by the phrase? Or were the howls of outrage just noise to cover Labour's Achilles heel of policy?"

 

 

Very true, I think many people these days are far too be easily offended. Regular comments/words nowadays like, "my wife",  "man", "woman", "lady", "housewife", "man power" are deemed offensive. Its crazy.

 

I think it boils down to the fact that the left is more interested in creating "safe places". We have created a society that is so easily offended and so focused on petty little problems. We more focused on what comes out of other peoples mouths. The focus is therefore shifted to these petty problems instead of focusing on all of our real problems at hand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You think equality is a petty problem? wow 





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  Reply # 1851176 23-Aug-2017 12:03
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MikeB4:

 

Wiggum:

 

frednz:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11909160

 

The above article gives an update on the "lipstick on the pig" comment. Here's an extract:

 

"Labour and Jacinda Ardern might scrape into power as long as they don't speak about policy and keep the feeling of change rolling for another month.

 

I thought the "lipstick on a pig" controversy was manipulated magnificently by the left, keeping the focus on feelings and not facts. Gareth Morgan's message was vote on policies not personalities. Fair enough. But the debate became centred on the second part of his tweet, which was a mildly offensive mis-placed euphemism. Was the left really horrified by the phrase? Or were the howls of outrage just noise to cover Labour's Achilles heel of policy?"

 

 

Very true, I think many people these days are far too be easily offended. Regular comments/words nowadays like, "my wife",  "man", "woman", "lady", "housewife", "man power" are deemed offensive. Its crazy.

 

I think it boils down to the fact that the left is more interested in creating "safe places". We have created a society that is so easily offended and so focused on petty little problems. We more focused on what comes out of other peoples mouths. The focus is therefore shifted to these petty problems instead of focusing on all of our real problems at hand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You think equality is a petty problem? wow 

 

 

I thought it was quite clear that Gareth was addressing the party and not Jacinda herself.... 

 

 


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mrfte:

 

MikeB4:

 

Wiggum:

 

frednz:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11909160

 

The above article gives an update on the "lipstick on the pig" comment. Here's an extract:

 

"Labour and Jacinda Ardern might scrape into power as long as they don't speak about policy and keep the feeling of change rolling for another month.

 

I thought the "lipstick on a pig" controversy was manipulated magnificently by the left, keeping the focus on feelings and not facts. Gareth Morgan's message was vote on policies not personalities. Fair enough. But the debate became centred on the second part of his tweet, which was a mildly offensive mis-placed euphemism. Was the left really horrified by the phrase? Or were the howls of outrage just noise to cover Labour's Achilles heel of policy?"

 

 

Very true, I think many people these days are far too be easily offended. Regular comments/words nowadays like, "my wife",  "man", "woman", "lady", "housewife", "man power" are deemed offensive. Its crazy.

 

I think it boils down to the fact that the left is more interested in creating "safe places". We have created a society that is so easily offended and so focused on petty little problems. We more focused on what comes out of other peoples mouths. The focus is therefore shifted to these petty problems instead of focusing on all of our real problems at hand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You think equality is a petty problem? wow 

 

 

I thought it was quite clear that Gareth was addressing the party and not Jacinda herself.... 

 

 

 

 

Mikes comment was about @wiggum


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