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# 222650 22-Aug-2017 15:20
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Speaking of the environment, this deserves a big plus 1! This is the kind of thing that will actually make changes. As farmers themselves accept that they are part of the problem and need to be part of the solution, others will feel increasingly compelled to go along as critical mass is achieved. 

 

 

 

 





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  # 1850414 22-Aug-2017 15:25
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Great idea.

 

Just shows that its possible to get this kind of thing done without Jacinda.

 

 

 

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  # 1850418 22-Aug-2017 15:30
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Wiggum:

 

Great idea.

 

Just shows that its possible to get this kind of thing done without Taxinda.

 

 

 

 

We have a thing here on Geekzone that we use correct names





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  # 1850423 22-Aug-2017 15:39
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Wiggum:

 

Great idea.

 

Just shows that its possible to get this kind of thing done without Taxinda.

 

 

 

 

 

 

God some people go on and on you have made your point you don't like Jacinda Ardern  on numerous occasions how about moving on?????


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  # 1850424 22-Aug-2017 15:41
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Rikkitic:

 

Speaking of the environment, this deserves a big plus 1! This is the kind of thing that will actually make changes. As farmers themselves accept that they are part of the problem and need to be part of the solution, others will feel increasingly compelled to go along as critical mass is achieved. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting, if you grab by the ummm errr wallet their hearts come along. They would not be talking this way without the threat of a wallet hit me thinks





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  # 1850426 22-Aug-2017 15:48
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MikeB4:

 

Interesting, if you grab by the ummm errr wallet their hearts come along. They would not be talking this way without the threat of a wallet hit me thinks

 

 

As long as people are willing to do the right thing I'm less concerned about their motivation.

 

 





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  # 1850427 22-Aug-2017 15:48
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MikeB4:

 

Wiggum:

 

Great idea.

 

Just shows that its possible to get this kind of thing done without Taxinda.

 

 

 

 

We have a thing here on Geekzone that we use correct names

 

 

My apologies, I had seen something about this in the FUG but that seems to be for company names. I do think the name Taxinda fits her perfectly well though, but if that's a rule around here I will refrain from using it. Thanks for pointing it out. 


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  # 1850428 22-Aug-2017 15:49
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good point, it needs to happen though and not in 10 years





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  # 1850439 22-Aug-2017 16:04
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There seems to be real momentum gathering in that direction. Here in Hawke's Bay we have had a water crisis in Havelock North and a bitter battle over a dam for dairy intensification. Our Tukituki river is quite polluted and photos shaming local farmers who allow their cows to graze along the riverbank have become a common feature in the local paper. The current regional council (after the former pro-dairy one was chucked out) seems much more attuned to environmental concerns.

 

 

 

 





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  # 1850463 22-Aug-2017 16:15
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Rikkitic:

 

Our Tukituki river is quite polluted and photos shaming local farmers who allow their cows to graze along the riverbank have become a common feature in the local paper.

 

 

I get that farmers can cause havoc to rivers/waterways with their fertilizers, and water run off etc. But cows grazing close to a riverbank? Is this not just the kind of pollution that has been happening for hundreds of thousands of years anyway?

 

On a recent trip to the African wilderness, we were far from any human inhabitants. It did surprise me how some of the rivers looked, especially the ones with Hippos/wild animals etc.. Man these darn animals  just stand in the waterways and just crap everywhere. The common waterholes that don't flow are even more polluted than anything I have seen in my life. This is not a man made mess. Believe me, we are very blessed to live here in NZ.


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@Wiggum with respect you need to go do some reading on the matter, Massey and Lincoln Universities will have information as well as Niwa.




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  # 1850797 23-Aug-2017 00:47
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Rikkitic:

 

There seems to be real momentum gathering in that direction. Here in Hawke's Bay we have had a water crisis in Havelock North and a bitter battle over a dam for dairy intensification. Our Tukituki river is quite polluted and photos shaming local farmers who allow their cows to graze along the riverbank have become a common feature in the local paper. The current regional council (after the former pro-dairy one was chucked out) seems much more attuned to environmental concerns.

 

 

 

Meanwhile in Auckland, the sewers in the former Auckland city council area overflow whenever there is more than 5mm of rain. As the former council still hasn't separated the stormwater from the sewage system. (something the other former council's finished in Auckland at least 20 years ago) They instead prefer to continue using the 100 year old pipes that were originally designed to dump the sewage directly into the nearest stream or the sea. These outdated sewers serve some of the richest houses in NZ. All from the council that has important priorities like planting Nikau palms on Queen st. And spending over 30mill per year promoting tourism in Auckland.

 

Presumably cow poo is extremely bad for the enviroment, while human poo mixed with everything that people flush down their toilets is harmless to the enviroment.

 

Neither National or Labour have done anything to sort out this mess. (And yes these problems did exist when Labour was last in power for 9 years).






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25% of all highly polluted rivers are in Auckland and yet there is very minimal farming that is happening in Auckland compared to the rest of the country. So I think it's safe to say that urbanisation is worse than farming yet farmers are getting separately targeted because of these new taxes. There must be a better way to encourage the maintenance of water standards rather than penalize people monetarily.


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mrfte:

 

25% of all highly polluted rivers are in Auckland and yet there is very minimal farming that is happening in Auckland compared to the rest of the country. So I think it's safe to say that urbanisation is worse than farming yet farmers are getting separately targeted because of these new taxes. There must be a better way to encourage the maintenance of water standards rather than penalize people monetarily.

 

 

25% of rivers targeted for cleanup - or 25% of NZ highly polluted rivers?

 

Penalising people monetarily with a "user pays" system to minimise environmental harm and deal with cost of treatment / remediation actually is the fairest way to go. 


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Over in Opotiki the pipi beds at Waiotahi estuary are polluted and a sign is up warning people not to eat them as they are now toxic. A round of tests concluded cow feces from run off into the river is causing it even though the river is fenced. The pipi beds there have fed locals for generations. Intensive dairying have done them in. The spot is also popular with tourists and swimmers because it's a lovely stretch of beach. I don't know what's going to be done about it.

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