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  Reply # 1856307 1-Sep-2017 08:18
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It's not all Trump's doing - but in light of the apparent acceleration of DPRK's nuclear programme - he's Johnny on the spot.

 

Yes it should have been foreseen blah blah.

 

It's a delicate diplomatic issue, someone sane should be handling it.  Trump isn't - he's only concerned about how he looks in the eyes of his supporters.

 

He can't carry out his wild west threats - I hope he realises that.

 

 

To put it mildly he isn't helping. But he is Johnny on the spot. I am unsure how diplomacy can help now as NK wont give up nuclear, thats off the table. 

 

As I mentioned earlier I cant see the US firing first shot, but my issue is that its all gone too far in the last few short years, NK have done a good job, and thats opened the stable door

 

 

 

 

AFAIK South Africa is the only country to give up nuclear.

 

Nobody else wants to give up a nuclear deterrent when they've got it - why would you?

 

Some care is needed to avoid appearance of double standards, India and Pakistan are nuclear armed, neither are signatories to the non proliferation treaty, one isn't exactly a model of stable government.  Meanwhile the USA doesn't seem to have a problem selling hundreds of billions of dollars worth of conventional weapons to Saudi Arabia - a nation that isn't too far behind NK when it comes to human rights abuses.

 

I think there's a danger if we look at DPRK with a US-centric bias.  South Korea, China - they're probably the only ones likely to find a solution.  But China won't do the USA's bidding if it's got the appearance of Trump holding a gun to their heads - using trade etc for leverage.


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  Reply # 1856311 1-Sep-2017 08:27
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AFAIK South Africa is the only country to give up nuclear.

 

Nobody else wants to give up a nuclear deterrent when they've got it - why would you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

SA is the only country to independently develop them and then give them up, yes. Slightly differently but perhaps more pertinently, Ukraine inherited a very large nuclear arsenal after the breakup of the USSR, but gave them all back to Russia in exchange for security guarantees from the US (amongst others). That has certainly worked out well for them. To be fair though, if they had them and tried to use them, it would've been WWIII, so... sucks to be them?





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  Reply # 1856318 1-Sep-2017 08:35
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I think there's a danger if we look at DPRK with a US-centric bias.  South Korea, China - they're probably the only ones likely to find a solution.  But China won't do the USA's bidding if it's got the appearance of Trump holding a gun to their heads - using trade etc for leverage.

 

 

Trumps is holding a gun to their heads? Last time I looked there are 4 missiles aimed at the US, and the latest firings are stated to be preparations for Guam

 

The fee;ling I get here is we are all happy that NK is nuclear armed and they can continue to develope and fine tune and stock up warheads, that is the way forward to allow talks to resume. Ans sanctions, re trade is a bad idea. Seems to be that no matter what NK does or says thats  ok as they do and say that all the time, but its not fair for the US to respond, and its not just the US, the US is the one country everyone wants to single out

 

NK has won.

 

(I dont refer to them as DPRK, the DP is misleading and inaccurate)


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An interesting read, particularly when agreements are made then very soon after they are broken

 

 

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/29/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-timeline---fast-facts/index.html

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1856374 1-Sep-2017 09:25
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The fee;ling I get here is we are all happy that NK is nuclear armed and they can continue to develope and fine tune and stock up warheads, that is the way forward to allow talks to resume. Ans sanctions, re trade is a bad idea. Seems to be that no matter what NK does or says thats  ok as they do and say that all the time, but its not fair for the US to respond, and its not just the US, the US is the one country everyone wants to single out

 

NK has won.

 

(I dont refer to them as DPRK, the DP is misleading and inaccurate)

 

 

 

 

I don't think that's true at all. Nobody wants a nuclear-armed North Korea. But most people just think the US should butt out (apart from a statement that they will defend SK and Japan if they are attacked) and let the people most directly involved sort it out. They also think that starting a war is a good way to make sure hundreds of thousands, if not millions or people get killed, because that's what a war is.

 

Kim will not lose face by giving in the US, and if they force the issue, he'll kill a lot of people. That much is pretty simple.

 

How to fix NK long term? I don't have the answers. But I do know that if 'Donald Trump' is the answer, then the question was probably 'Who was the idiot that started WWIII?'





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tdgeek:

 

 

 

The fee;ling I get here is we are all happy that NK is nuclear armed and they can continue to develope and fine tune and stock up warheads, that is the way forward to allow talks to resume. Ans sanctions, re trade is a bad idea. Seems to be that no matter what NK does or says thats  ok as they do and say that all the time, but its not fair for the US to respond, and its not just the US, the US is the one country everyone wants to single out

 

NK has won.

 

(I dont refer to them as DPRK, the DP is misleading and inaccurate)

 

 

 

 

I don't think that's true at all. Nobody wants a nuclear-armed North Korea. But most people just think the US should butt out (apart from a statement that they will defend SK and Japan if they are attacked) and let the people most directly involved sort it out. They also think that starting a war is a good way to make sure hundreds of thousands, if not millions or people get killed, because that's what a war is.

 

Kim will not lose face by giving in the US, and if they force the issue, he'll kill a lot of people. That much is pretty simple.

 

How to fix NK long term? I don't have the answers. But I do know that if 'Donald Trump' is the answer, then the question was probably 'Who was the idiot that started WWIII?'

 

 

But NK is nuclear armed, and they say that no nuclear is non negotiable, its already here. China has already stated that it may be that a nuclear NK has to be accepted. If talks were to be held to remove nuclear in return for concessions, that wont happen from NK. Read my link. They just use us. So, if we want peace, it has to be accepting a nuclear NK, who can continue to build nuclear, improve it, test it, and threaten to use it, and lie about their agreements, all these points have existed for decades. There will not be a peace in the region and a non nuclear NK. There could be peace and a nuclear NK, as long as the sanctions are all dropped (and they have to be if acceptance of nuclear is agreed) and they will off course want aid left right and centre. In fact there was aid in the past, which was late being given, that was an act of war.

 

So, its either war which no one wants, nuclear NK and give them what they want, or their own kind revolt and overturn the regime


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  Reply # 1856428 1-Sep-2017 09:53
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So, its either war which no one wants, nuclear NK and give them what they want, or their own kind revolt and overturn the regime

 

 

 

 

Pretty much, except that the revolt will probably turn into a war pretty quickly too.





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  Reply # 1856434 1-Sep-2017 10:07
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

So, its either war which no one wants, nuclear NK and give them what they want, or their own kind revolt and overturn the regime

 

 

 

 

Pretty much, except that the revolt will probably turn into a war pretty quickly too.

 

 

A revolt may not be too bad, if they fight it out themselves, NK vs NK , it may even be many happy people who are now free. And whoever became the temporary leader will get huge support from SK, China, USA, Japan. A totally win win situation. But its speculation how many are KJU fanboys as we see on TV and who are pretend fanboys


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There does seem to be a lot of anti-US sentiment here, but that's not unusual in NZ.  I find it hard to understand how any rational person can liken NK and its leader to any other current regime.

 

Military action is so difficult because of the close proximity of SK, particularly Seoul.  Unfortunate because a direct conflict would end quite quickly I think.  What other paths to reunification exist?

 

I certainly don't think we (the world) should be propping up this inhumane, unsustainable regime with food or other aid.  Better to let it fail and its inept leaders thrown out by their own people.


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  Reply # 1856471 1-Sep-2017 11:02
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There does seem to be a lot of anti-US sentiment here, but that's not unusual in NZ.  I find it hard to understand how any rational person can liken NK and its leader to any other current regime.

 

Military action is so difficult because of the close proximity of SK, particularly Seoul.  Unfortunate because a direct conflict would end quite quickly I think.  What other paths to reunification exist?

 

I certainly don't think we (the world) should be propping up this inhumane, unsustainable regime with food or other aid.  Better to let it fail and its inept leaders thrown out by their own people.

 

 

 

 

That means the population starves not the Leadership. With 70 years of total police state it would be near impossible for a popular uprising to start let alone succeed.  





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shk292:

 

There does seem to be a lot of anti-US sentiment here, but that's not unusual in NZ.  I find it hard to understand how any rational person can liken NK and its leader to any other current regime.

 

Military action is so difficult because of the close proximity of SK, particularly Seoul.  Unfortunate because a direct conflict would end quite quickly I think.  What other paths to reunification exist?

 

I certainly don't think we (the world) should be propping up this inhumane, unsustainable regime with food or other aid.  Better to let it fail and its inept leaders thrown out by their own people.

 

 

 

 

That means the population starves not the Leadership. With 70 years of total police state it would be near impossible for a popular uprising to start let alone succeed.  

 

 

What then? We cant start a war as they die in the towns but not in rural. We cant regime change as thats a war, we cant fold over as we already do and give them what they want as the people still starve. We cant have talks as the people still starve and the decades old issue continues on


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  Reply # 1856491 1-Sep-2017 11:20
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It's not the talking that is the issue it's who is doing the talking. The US should back out and let a neutral state do the talking.





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  Reply # 1856493 1-Sep-2017 11:27
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That means the population starves not the Leadership. With 70 years of total police state it would be near impossible for a popular uprising to start let alone succeed.  

 

 

Quite possibly, but if that is what it takes...

 

“There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy” was said by writer Alfred Henry Lewis (1855-1914)


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It's not the talking that is the issue it's who is doing the talking. The US should back out and let a neutral state do the talking.

 

 

The US supports two states in the region so its involved. It has also been threatened with a direct attack. SK already take gunfire at the DMZ and Japan is regularly in the firing line. To compare Trumps tweets to KJU is bizarre I'm sorry.

 

If US backs out I'm ok with that, as does China, and I assume the UN who NK also dont want to know. End of the day this isnt a NK issue NK are fine its all the US, so lets leave the status quo as it is and the starving NK population, and accept a fully nuclear NK so they can get those further improved and stocklpiled


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MikeB4:

 

That means the population starves not the Leadership. With 70 years of total police state it would be near impossible for a popular uprising to start let alone succeed.  

 

 

Quite possibly, but if that is what it takes...

 

“There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy” was said by writer Alfred Henry Lewis (1855-1914)

 

 

 

 

That is easy to say from the safety of New Zealand





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