$108 million to rebuild a Cathedral, or 10-14 million a year to provide free lunches in low decile schools??

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#1861544 9-Sep-2017 20:25

amiga500:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201857870/how-do-lunches-at-different-decile-schools-compare

Here is the link I should have put in the first post.

Yeah, child poverty starts with the parents. I know a teacher from a low decile school and it isn't entirely about cash-poor parents - they simply don't know how or care how to raise kids. These kids frequently start school unable to string a sentence together - it costs zero $ to talk to your kids but they don't even do that. Throwing cash at the kids makes you feel good but is an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. It could be better to spend some money on expanding plunket or similar and make sure the parents get some tuition and training.

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#1861549 9-Sep-2017 20:36

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Only $25m committed by central govt.

$10m by council ("subject to public consultation")

The balance the church is paying for, presumably more than what they get from insurance.

I'm glad they made the decision. The alternatives seemed to be building a new, modern, and supremely hideous temple in which to worship the invisible man in the sky - Chch would have had something like the tabernacle in Salt Lake City as a centerpiece.

Apparently you have a reason for feeling that a new Anglican Cathedral would have been similar to an LDS Tabernacle built between 1864 & 1867, may I ask what it is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_Tabernacle

By the way, the Christchurch Cathedral was built from 1864 to 1904.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChristChurch_Cathedral,_Christchurch

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#1861583 9-Sep-2017 21:33

$1.7b for a tunnel in Auckland, or all kids out of poverty for the whole country?

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#1861594 9-Sep-2017 22:54

Geektastic:

Would have been a great opportunity to begin removing religion from society.

If this god wants a big, uncomfortable and draughty building, why does he not simply magic a new one? Should be a piece of cake after creating the Earth and everything in it in 6 days. He, after all, allegedly created the quake in the first place.

Umm ... IIRC the church was happy for it to be demolished. Guess what ... the wizards and witches of Chch gathered and started a protest that has lead to this. Don't blame the church!

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#1861595 9-Sep-2017 22:55

I am serious! (If me memory serves me right - I don't have any links, but I lived there while these crazy wizard protests took place!)

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#1861597 9-Sep-2017 23:14

I am happy with this news. There is funding for both projects. I don't think you need to be religious to see the value this magnificent building presents for NZ and for Christchurch. After the quakes, CHCH has appeared a little soulless compared to pre-quake with it's older buildings replaced by predominately modern buildings.

I am hopeful the Cathedral will continue to draw people to the center of the CBD and rebuild some of the sense of community that used to be a prime reason for visiting, once again.

After spending time in Europe with it's amazing historical beautiful buildings, it's a shame we barely have anything to compare.

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#1861598 9-Sep-2017 23:20

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amiga500:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201857870/how-do-lunches-at-different-decile-schools-compare

Here is the link I should have put in the first post.

Yeah, child poverty starts with the parents. I know a teacher from a low decile school and it isn't entirely about cash-poor parents - they simply don't know how or care how to raise kids. These kids frequently start school unable to string a sentence together - it costs zero $ to talk to your kids but they don't even do that. Throwing cash at the kids makes you feel good but is an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. It could be better to spend some money on expanding plunket or similar and make sure the parents get some tuition and training.

I often wonder why such people actually have children in the first place. Birth control isn't rocket science, and if you do not want to raise them, why have them?

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#1861599 9-Sep-2017 23:26

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I am happy with this news. There is funding for both projects. I don't think you need to be religious to see the value this magnificent building presents for NZ and for Christchurch. After the quakes, CHCH has appeared a little soulless compared to pre-quake with it's older buildings replaced by predominately modern buildings.

I am hopeful the Cathedral will continue to draw people to the center of the CBD and rebuild some of the sense of community that used to be a prime reason for visiting, once again.

After spending time in Europe with it's amazing historical beautiful buildings, it's a shame we barely have anything to compare.

A shame yes, but inevitable: how could we have such old buildings here? The only people who were here when things like Canterbury Cathedral and the Tower of London were being built did not quite get as far as the wheel or writing, much less complex stone cutting and masonry.

I will agree that when you visited the church of St Peter-in-the-Wall in Essex (build in the mid 600's), have stood in the spot where Thomas Becket was murdered in 1170 in Canterbury Cathedral, or on the battlefield where William beat Harold in 1066, it does make for a bit of a gap in your visual environment when the oldest building you can find is from 1822!

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#1861604 10-Sep-2017 00:06

networkn:

I am happy with this news. There is funding for both projects. I don't think you need to be religious to see the value this magnificent building presents for NZ and for Christchurch. After the quakes, CHCH has appeared a little soulless compared to pre-quake with it's older buildings replaced by predominately modern buildings.

I am hopeful the Cathedral will continue to draw people to the center of the CBD and rebuild some of the sense of community that used to be a prime reason for visiting, once again.

After spending time in Europe with it's amazing historical beautiful buildings, it's a shame we barely have anything to compare.

Architecturally, the Cathedral isn't all that special and unique, but it is iconic and a landmark. The ironic thing is that Christchurch actaully has another Cathedral, which is regarded as the finest renaissance-style buildings in New Zealand, and thus IMO possibly more deserving of saving. But IMO both need to be saved. This is the Cathedral of a Blessed Sacrament. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_the_Blessed_Sacrament,_Christchurch . It is a Catholic cathedral and is not in a high profile location. Apparently it has been partly deconstructed to preserve it, and it will also be rebuilt, but there has been very little media coverage about it. Apparently that be about 100 million to do. The good thing is that that money also goes into the economy, and a significant amount of work is labour, and the government also gets a good amount of tax from these projects. So it is all a big money go round.

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#1861605 10-Sep-2017 00:08

I think that people misunderstand that the Cathedral is not just a religious building but one of culture, of history, of community and unity.

I am not religious, but I find people pretty quick to pounce on things like this out of line without considering it's other benefits.

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#1861627 10-Sep-2017 05:55

networkn:
I think that people misunderstand that the Cathedral is not just a religious building but one of culture, of history, of community and unity.

I am not religious, but I find people pretty quick to pounce on things like this out of line without considering it's other benefits.

That's exactly why I build them in "Civilisation"!

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#1861663 10-Sep-2017 08:39

Location is everything, so they say.

I gather that the Anglican cathedral got prime spot, but also that as a centerpiece it encouraged development around it.

The Catholic cathedral got the gas works, because well you know - they were Catholics (in a predominantly protestant town).

I don't think the Anglicans are quite as united as they once were, some quite traditional into incense burning and all the finery, others more utilitarian and into evangelical stuff.

I expect that the former traditional types would have wanted the cathedral restored, the latter something modern and utilitarian - hence the awful design for the replacement cathedral.

"Committee decision" compromises don't work, IMO.

On the left is how it was. On the right the modern design, in the middle the "compromise position". I'm very glad that's not happening.

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#1861907 10-Sep-2017 17:39

Our politicians are fast to find millions to pay for fleets of BMWs and transport projects yet c
ome up with dozens of reasons why giving poor hungry kids two decent meals a day at school is a bad idea.
Providing these is hardly a new idea - it's just that NZ has not done what many other countries have done for generations. Shame on the politicians who voted against this bill..

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#1861972 10-Sep-2017 20:58

Surely this project should have got priority over the Christchurch stadium upgrades?

The Christchurch Catherdral IMO is Christchurch. It will be a sad day if it is ever knocked down completely and forgotten. The cathedral is to Chrisrchurch what the Wellington cable car/Parliament buildings are to Wellington.

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#1861974 10-Sep-2017 21:04

amiga500: Our politicians are fast to find millions to pay for fleets of BMWs and transport projects yet c
ome up with dozens of reasons why giving poor hungry kids two decent meals a day at school is a bad idea.
Providing these is hardly a new idea - it's just that NZ has not done what many other countries have done for generations. Shame on the politicians who voted against this bill..

Its a bad idea because it takes the responsibility from parents, and places it on schools/government. In short, it will make already bad parents even worse.

If a child is hungry at school it should never be the schools/governments fault. Bad parenting needs to be tackled.

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