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Topic # 223310 23-Sep-2017 11:51
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Mods feel free to delete this if you think it contravenes any rules, but since it is printed in today's Herald I would hope it does not.


It's a well-written piece (rare in itself!) on the concept of whether political comment should or should not be allowed on polling day and what we might lose if we allowed it and also what we might lose if we allowed online voting.


There's no actual politics discussed, so should be safe.


 


Read here.






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  Reply # 1871425 23-Sep-2017 12:11
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The whole ban probably needs to be looked at, particuarly with so many people early voting now.

 

Yes it is nice to have a day with no advertising and in other countries even getting to the voting booth past people can be a mission, but with it's clear early voting will become the norm then reasons for the ban no longer really apply.


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  Reply # 1871426 23-Sep-2017 12:16
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My feeling is we should continue the tradition of keeping polling places clear of any kind of voter harrasment.

I am disappointed there are not so many local polling places open on election day today and many will have longer to travel. Imo there will be some who make their tri-annual walk this morning and have to make other plans. I guess the elcom put lots of money into early voting for the first time this year and will evaluate the outcome.

Psa discussion of voting process only. Avoid political parties and politics or discussion will likely be closed..

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1871429 23-Sep-2017 12:22
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It's surprised me early voting was so big this year. As somebody who's always voted I've voted early a couple of times due to being out of Wellington on the day and I've also voted overseas a couple of times. To me the appeal is actually voting on the day and not a week or so beforehand.

 

I'm happy as long as we never introduce online voting. That's the worst concept ever created.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1871463 23-Sep-2017 13:49
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I've always been fascinated how you don't have to show ID. It seems like it would be fairly easy to use others' votes if you wanted to. Given a substantial number of people enrolled don't vote, many fraudulent votes would probably go undetected. I'm sure there's the argument that you need to make voting accessible, not everyone has ID and so on. It still seems very strange to me to rock up and give a name and address and that's all.

Edit: I voted early for the first time. I think the ban seems a bit outdated given how many people are voting early.


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  Reply # 1871465 23-Sep-2017 13:57
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Sam91:

 

I've always been fascinated how you don't have to show ID. It seems like it would be fairly easy to use others' votes if you wanted to. Given a substantial number of people enrolled don't vote, many fraudulent votes would probably go undetected. I'm sure there's the argument that you need to make voting accessible, not everyone has ID and so on. It still seems very strange to me to rock up and give a name and address and that's all.

Edit: I voted early for the first time. I think the ban seems a bit outdated given how many people are voting early.

 

 

The issues around making voting accessible (and the difficulty demanding forms of ID creates) are greater than the few fake votes that slip through IMO.


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  Reply # 1871469 23-Sep-2017 14:00
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sbiddle: To me the appeal is actually voting on the day and not a week or so beforehand.

 

I agree with this; it makes it feel "special" when you do it on the day. Needless to say, I did it today.


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  Reply # 1871470 23-Sep-2017 14:03
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I did it early this year for the first time ever.
Edit: I think they should keep the rules.

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  Reply # 1871471 23-Sep-2017 14:03
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I voted last week early - already knew who I was voting for and nothing would have changed that. I am looking forward to venturing to the city without seeing these red posters with some lady everywhere.





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  Reply # 1871485 23-Sep-2017 14:10
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Sam91:

 

I've always been fascinated how you don't have to show ID. It seems like it would be fairly easy to use others' votes if you wanted to. Given a substantial number of people enrolled don't vote, many fraudulent votes would probably go undetected. I'm sure there's the argument that you need to make voting accessible, not everyone has ID and so on. It still seems very strange to me to rock up and give a name and address and that's all.

 

 

Presumably they have a system to stop people from placing multiple votes just by going to different polling booths. Im curious as to how that would work via a purely paper based system. Im guessing that those printed electoral  roll books that they cross your name out as you go to vote, They would then have to cross reference all of them together to detect double votes.






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  Reply # 1871509 23-Sep-2017 14:24
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Depending on what happens today you might be seeing a lot more of that lady.

Or not.



To be on topic, I also enjoy voting on the day.
However I recognise that the whole system needs to be as inclusive and accessible as possible. Early voting plays a part in this by allowing people to vote as part of their errands in the time leading up to E day.

Not everyone has a car, can walk, has a computer etc etc.

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  Reply # 1871548 23-Sep-2017 14:30
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Well I've been in numerous towns the past week, so I could've voted a dozen times. I've voted early the last two, purely because I travel for work, and given the fuel thing and flight cancellations there was a risk of not being back today.

 

However, I've got other stuff to do on a Saturday. Like play rubbish golf!

 

SBiddle, how come you're against online voting? The principal of it, or do you not think it could be implemented properly?


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  Reply # 1871566 23-Sep-2017 15:09
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I voted early this year as I wanted to avoid car parking issues and queues like previous years. I don't remember being able to vote early in malls etc in previous years.


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  Reply # 1871568 23-Sep-2017 15:11
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mudguard:

 

Well I've been in numerous towns the past week, so I could've voted a dozen times. I've voted early the last two, purely because I travel for work, and given the fuel thing and flight cancellations there was a risk of not being back today.

 

However, I've got other stuff to do on a Saturday. Like play rubbish golf!

 

SBiddle, how come you're against online voting? The principal of it, or do you not think it could be implemented properly?

 

 

If you vote outside your electorate it is a special vote and will not be counted on election day. The early voting this year in malls etc is not special voting as long as you put your vote in the correct box.


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  Reply # 1871654 23-Sep-2017 19:48
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Sam91:

 

I've always been fascinated how you don't have to show ID. It seems like it would be fairly easy to use others' votes if you wanted to. Given a substantial number of people enrolled don't vote, many fraudulent votes would probably go undetected. I'm sure there's the argument that you need to make voting accessible, not everyone has ID and so on. It still seems very strange to me to rock up and give a name and address and that's all.

 

 

Presumably they have a system to stop people from placing multiple votes just by going to different polling booths. Im curious as to how that would work via a purely paper based system. Im guessing that those printed electoral  roll books that they cross your name out as you go to vote, They would then have to cross reference all of them together to detect double votes.

 

 

I actually asked that this morning at 9am. While is paper based its also electronic. I asked as there is no ID required. No assume if anyone placed multiple votes it becomes fraud? 


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  Reply # 1871751 23-Sep-2017 23:18
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Electoral fraud is really a non-issue in NZ. 

 

I'd been keen for them to relax all the archaic rules about talking and reporting but bring down the billboards and keep the booths clear.


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