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  Reply # 1872595 25-Sep-2017 17:03
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Having looked at NZF's website, I would have said he leaned generally towards the right.






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  Reply # 1872601 25-Sep-2017 17:24
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@gulfa out of interest, is there any price that Labour should not pay to form Government ? Is a NZF/Greens/Lab Government your optimum choice? Any deal breaker issues?

 

I am not sure what your Labour favoured policies are, but would a National-Greens Partnership be acceptable in your mind?


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1872604 25-Sep-2017 17:33
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I could very easily accept a Green/National government if greens would just drop their social policies and focus solely on environmental issues.


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  Reply # 1872605 25-Sep-2017 17:37
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Wiggum:

 

I could very easily accept a Green/National government if greens would just drop their social policies and focus solely on environmental issues.

 

 

I would consider some Greens social policy. I feel National could use some help in this area. I think they could also make use of the environment policies. 

 

I don't hate a National NZF partnership, but I do worry what will be compromised on to get Winstons Ego stroked. I'd like to think he will be a grown up and do what's best for NZ, but my overarching feeling is this negotiation may require a party Name change to Winston First. Unfortunately, I feel he more or less will be given a blank cheque by both parties.


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  Reply # 1872620 25-Sep-2017 17:56
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@gulfa out of interest, is there any price that Labour should not pay to form Government ? Is a NZF/Greens/Lab Government your optimum choice? Any deal breaker issues?

 

I am not sure what your Labour favoured policies are, but would a National-Greens Partnership be acceptable in your mind?

 

 

I can not see a Green/National coalition. The thrust of the Green campaign was for a change of Government. It would make their campaign a lie if they were to partner with National now.





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  Reply # 1872621 25-Sep-2017 18:00
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networkn:

 

@gulfa out of interest, is there any price that Labour should not pay to form Government ? Is a NZF/Greens/Lab Government your optimum choice? Any deal breaker issues?

 

I am not sure what your Labour favoured policies are, but would a National-Greens Partnership be acceptable in your mind?

 

 

I can not see a Green/National coalition. The thrust of the Green campaign was for a change of Government. It would make their campaign a lie if they were to partner with National now.

 

 

I wouldn't rule anything out. They are every bit the Kingmaker that Winston is. They could simply say, they felt a change IN Government was a great compromise to nothing being done at all. 

 

I mean, if opposition, what would they acheive? Nothing right? They won't get a single policy passed or considered, unless it's something National/NZF want as well, which would be unlikely (Assuming N/NZF work something out). 

 

They would be in a strong position to affect change. To my mind, that's something they should *actively* pursue. Nothing much to lose. 

 

Labour would be upset naturally, but Labour did the Greens no favours this election.


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  Reply # 1872622 25-Sep-2017 18:06
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networkn:

 

 

 

I wouldn't rule anything out. They are every bit the Kingmaker that Winston is. They could simply say, they felt a change IN Government was a great compromise to nothing being done at all. 

 

I mean, if opposition, what would they acheive? Nothing right? They won't get a single policy passed or considered, unless it's something National/NZF want as well, which would be unlikely (Assuming N/NZF work something out). 

 

They would be in a strong position to affect change. To my mind, that's something they should *actively* pursue. Nothing much to lose. 

 

Labour would be upset naturally, but Labour did the Greens no favours this election.

 

 

I guess a lot of green voters would also be angry. Although, I don't believe any green voter could seriously have been thinking that the Greens were going to come out on top.


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  Reply # 1872627 25-Sep-2017 18:35
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The Green Party is in rebuild mode. They are looking to their futue, they would get savaged in the next election if they joined National, their voters and many of their MPs would see it as a betrayal




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  Reply # 1872629 25-Sep-2017 18:49
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@gulfa out of interest, is there any price that Labour should not pay to form Government ? Is a NZF/Greens/Lab Government your optimum choice? Any deal breaker issues?

I am not sure what your Labour favoured policies are, but would a National-Greens Partnership be acceptable in your mind?

 

I have a very open mind I believe that Winstone will end up making decisions that could tone down policies from both parties, Immigration as an example I just want to see him stick to his word and stay with his policies.

 

Education is my area and I believe that we had a huge cheek to make students pay when we had free education and  even received payments when we attended Training College. If I look back at my background I would never have been able to pay my way through varsity and I am one of those who have come from a background of where my parents had one income and yet still have managed to be reasonably successful. The lessons I learned about compassion and caring for others came from them.  This seems to be lacking in many people today 

 

I hope he doesn't demand something that will be a personal benefit. I am for any party who emphasises Honesty and truth and to stop covering up which I have pointed out in previous posts. I have previously supported National but could not do so this time because of many of their actions which I abhor. I am not really surprised that many people don't care about lies and deceit and have voted without considering this fact. But we must accept democracy will prevail and stop moaning about the system which is in place. I would also like to point out that even though National were successful in retaining the most popular vote they also went backwards and could go further back when all counting is finished. The real disappointment is that people still did not go out and vote and regardless of this we must not say they do not have rights> They are still taxpayers and have rights to have opinions and we should all be encouraging them to better themselves and have a say in the running of our country.

 

I am still not telling you who I voted for That is only my business.  Words Of wisdom from my 12 year old grand-daughter "Why cant we take the best of policies from all parties" 

 

 


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  Reply # 1872632 25-Sep-2017 18:56
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gulfa:

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@gulfa out of interest, is there any price that Labour should not pay to form Government ? Is a NZF/Greens/Lab Government your optimum choice? Any deal breaker issues?

I am not sure what your Labour favoured policies are, but would a National-Greens Partnership be acceptable in your mind?


I have a very open mind I believe that Winstone will end up making decisions that could tone down policies from both parties, Immigration as an example I just want to see him stick to his word and stay with his policies.


Education is my area and I believe that we had a huge cheek to make students pay when we had free education and  even received payments when we attended Training College. If I look back at my background I would never have been able to pay my way through varsity and I am one of those who have come from a background of where my parents had one income and yet still have managed to be reasonably successful. The lessons I learned about compassion and caring for others came from them.  This seems to be lacking in many people today 


I hope he doesn't demand something that will be a personal benefit. I am for any party who emphasises Honesty and truth and to stop covering up which I have pointed out in previous posts. I have previously supported National but could not do so this time because of many of their actions which I abhor. I am not really surprised that many people don't care about lies and deceit and have voted without considering this fact. But we must accept democracy will prevail and stop moaning about the system which is in place. I would also like to point out that even though National were successful in retaining the most popular vote they also went backwards and could go further back when all counting is finished. The real disappointment is that people still did not go out and vote and regardless of this we must not say they do not have rights> They are still taxpayers and have rights to have opinions and we should all be encouraging them to better themselves and have a say in the running of our country.


I am still not telling you who I voted for That is only my business.  Words Of wisdom from my 12 year old grand-daughter "Why cant we take the best of policies from all parties" 


 



A bridge too far for Labour? a coalition with National




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MikeB4: The Green Party is in rebuild mode. They are looking to their futue, they would get savaged in the next election if they joined National, their voters and many of their MPs would see it as a betrayal

 

Well, this says a lot about the Green Party and their supporters in my view, that they would rather have 100% of nothing than 5% of something meaningful. 

 

They could simply arrange an internal caucus meeting and meet with their biggest donors and ask them if a deal in any form would be ok with National, that would tell they what they need to know. 

 

I am not a green voter, likely not going to be any time soon, but if I am one, I want SOMETHING out of being in Parliment, which last time around they got nothing. If they go to National, and specify 2-3 smaller policies or 1 large one, SOMETHING gets done. Otherwise, I sit on my A$$ for 3 years complaining.  Pointless. I made this point to 1 of the 2 Green party supporters I know that are usually the most vocal. After a bit of thought, he admitted there was some merit to that. The other Green supporter I know, didn't vote Greens this time over the MT thing, but she was actually considerably more upset over James Shaws behaviour during it. 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1872673 25-Sep-2017 19:48
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Fred99:

 

Oh - the position he's found himself in means we can be pretty sure who the next Deputy Prime Minister of NZ is - long before we'll know who the next Prime Minister of NZ will be.

 

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Hahaha. Brilliant observation .......... and so true. Yup, been there, done that. Let's hope it falls into place quickly.


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  Reply # 1872675 25-Sep-2017 19:51
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gulfa:

 

 

 

I am still not telling you who I voted for That is only my business.  Words Of wisdom from my 12 year old grand-daughter "Why cant we take the best of policies from all parties" 

 

 

I never asked, but one would have to be blind to not know who you voted for ;)

 

I didn't see a response to Greens-National, how would that sit with you ? 

 

I don't believe National got the majority of votes because they lied, I think you are being naive if you think that. I think Labour asked for too much trust in a very short period of time. If National form Government this time, Labour needs to show what it did in 6 weeks, for 2.5 years, and much more clearly define policy prior to announcing it. This gives them their best chance. They need to find a compromise with Farmers, and businesses. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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networkn:

 

 

 

I am not a green voter, likely not going to be any time soon, but if I am one, I want SOMETHING out of being in Parliment, which last time around they got nothing. If they go to National, and specify 2-3 smaller policies or 1 large one, SOMETHING gets done. Otherwise, I sit on my A$$ for 3 years complaining.  Pointless. I made this point to 1 of the 2 Green party supporters I know that are usually the most vocal. After a bit of thought, he admitted there was some merit to that. The other Green supporter I know, didn't vote Greens this time over the MT thing, but she was actually considerably more upset over James Shaws behaviour during it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly. Can NZs environment support 3 years of the same old polices, where the environment IMO may only get worse? Greens should be trying to make a deal with whoever they can, so they can get their policies in. A Green/National coalition could be a very clean deal IMO. 3 parties could be a bit of a nightmare.  IMO they need to stick to the environment. IMO that is why they have lost support, because of their welfare policies and not sticking to their strength. I would have voted for green if they were all about the environment, as the environment is not only one of NZs most valuable assets, but it is also essential for the long term sustainability of humans living on the earth.


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networkn:

 

gulfa:

 

 

 

I am still not telling you who I voted for That is only my business.  Words Of wisdom from my 12 year old grand-daughter "Why cant we take the best of policies from all parties" 

 

 

I never asked, but one would have to be blind to not know who you voted for ;)

 

I didn't see a response to Greens-National, how would that sit with you ? 

 

I don't believe National got the majority of votes because they lied, I think you are being naive if you think that. I think Labour asked for too much trust in a very short period of time. If National form Government this time, Labour needs to show what it did in 6 weeks, for 2.5 years, and much more clearly define policy prior to announcing it. This gives them their best chance. They need to find a compromise with Farmers, and businesses. 

 

 

 

IMO Labour also shouldn't piggyback policies on top of one another, as that appears to have caused a rural backlash. People want  water bottling to be taxed which is what I also want to see. Labour also wanted to bring that is, but they  decided to pickyback farmers water use onto that as well, which would likely result in higher costs when buying produce.

 

Also Labour got a new young leader, which caused an instant rise, but then support started dropping when they started flip flopping on policies over tax and the tax working group.

 

They did have 3 years to put together a tax working group prior to the election, to sort out tax. Maybe they should organise that now, so they have 3 years to get it right, and we can then go to the polls in 2020 with tax policies all confirmed and priced.


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