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  Reply # 1883043 13-Oct-2017 15:20
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Now its MONDAY...


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  Reply # 1883078 13-Oct-2017 16:47
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Pumpedd:

Now its MONDAY...



Which one?





 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1883079 13-Oct-2017 16:50
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DaveB:

I guess you can't take an "unexpected funeral" into consideration when you are trying to work to a very tight timetable. It appears that this was one unexpected cog in the works.



To be honest, the government of the nation trumps disposing of dead bodies in my book.





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  Reply # 1883105 13-Oct-2017 18:13
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Pumpedd:

 

According to papers, Winston is in all day caucus meeting where they are deciding on ministerial posts .....and will be contacting Labour/National by phone if needed. 

 

If I had my way they would get none.

 

 

Thankfully it's not up to you, the professionals are carefully working out the details.

 

Hotheadedness, irrationality and hysteria are qualities I do not think suitable for a critical governmental decision making position.


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  Reply # 1883109 13-Oct-2017 18:24
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Geektastic:
Pumpedd:

 

Now its MONDAY...

 



Which one?

 

The ones after Labour day?


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  Reply # 1883110 13-Oct-2017 18:30
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dwilson:

 

Thankfully it's not up to you, the professionals are carefully working out the details.

 

Hotheadedness, irrationality and hysteria are qualities I do not think suitable for a critical governmental decision making position.

 

 

Nah, childishness, bullying and irascibility are so much better.

 

 





I reject your reality and substitute my own. - Adam Savage
 


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  Reply # 1883117 13-Oct-2017 19:04
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frednz:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11932628

 

Today's NZ Herald article explains why a Labour-NZ First-Greens coalition is probably Winston's best choice.

 

The above article devotes a lot of space to personality issues rather than concentrating on policy that's in the best interests of NZ as a whole.

 

It's pretty much describing a Winston First party rather than a NZ First party.

 

And the Greens aren't mentioned much, they are "flying blind" and it seems they are pretty much prepared to do what Winston and Jacinda demand - unless that is, their membership tells James Shaw to get real and go with National!

 

 

Did your miss yesterday's article that commented on the possibility of a National/NZF government.

The first paragraph of today's article is:

 

"Is Winston Peters about to announce a Labour-NZ First government? Yesterday I looked at arguments NZ First might be inclined to choose National. Below are recent items laying out the reasons a Labour-led government could be NZ First's best choice."

 

However this 'bottom line' list makes interesting reading:

 

www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/10/the-comprehensive-list-of-winston-peters-bottom-lines.html 


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  Reply # 1883118 13-Oct-2017 19:16
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Pumpedd:

 

Now its MONDAY...

 

 

Or Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday...

They (all parties) have until November to form a Governor General approved government.

NZF did get their negotiations completed by 12/10/2017.

 

Now all they have to do is discuss the deals they've been offered, and decide which one to take. No need to rush that IMHO, and that's one of the reasons why I party voted for

 

NZF. I'm glad they're 'King Maker again'. They can take all the time they need.


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  Reply # 1883121 13-Oct-2017 19:26
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MaxLV:

 

frednz:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11932628

 

Today's NZ Herald article explains why a Labour-NZ First-Greens coalition is probably Winston's best choice.

 

The above article devotes a lot of space to personality issues rather than concentrating on policy that's in the best interests of NZ as a whole.

 

It's pretty much describing a Winston First party rather than a NZ First party.

 

And the Greens aren't mentioned much, they are "flying blind" and it seems they are pretty much prepared to do what Winston and Jacinda demand - unless that is, their membership tells James Shaw to get real and go with National!

 

 

Did your miss yesterday's article that commented on the possibility of a National/NZF government.

The first paragraph of today's article is:

 

"Is Winston Peters about to announce a Labour-NZ First government? Yesterday I looked at arguments NZ First might be inclined to choose National. Below are recent items laying out the reasons a Labour-led government could be NZ First's best choice."

 

However this 'bottom line' list makes interesting reading:

 

www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/10/the-comprehensive-list-of-winston-peters-bottom-lines.html 

 

 

Tomorrow there will be an article on a possibility of a National-Labour government


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  Reply # 1883145 13-Oct-2017 21:02
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MaxLV:

 

frednz:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11932628

 

Today's NZ Herald article explains why a Labour-NZ First-Greens coalition is probably Winston's best choice.

 

The above article devotes a lot of space to personality issues rather than concentrating on policy that's in the best interests of NZ as a whole.

 

It's pretty much describing a Winston First party rather than a NZ First party.

 

And the Greens aren't mentioned much, they are "flying blind" and it seems they are pretty much prepared to do what Winston and Jacinda demand - unless that is, their membership tells James Shaw to get real and go with National!

 

 

Did your miss yesterday's article that commented on the possibility of a National/NZF government.

 

 

No, I didn't miss it, I actually posted this link to the thread about the open letter to James Shaw:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11932157

 

So, what is your prediction of the result?

 

Mine is Labour plus Greens with NZ First on the cross benches.


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  Reply # 1883164 13-Oct-2017 21:35
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frednz:

 

MaxLV:

 

frednz:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11932628

 

Today's NZ Herald article explains why a Labour-NZ First-Greens coalition is probably Winston's best choice.

 

The above article devotes a lot of space to personality issues rather than concentrating on policy that's in the best interests of NZ as a whole.

 

It's pretty much describing a Winston First party rather than a NZ First party.

 

And the Greens aren't mentioned much, they are "flying blind" and it seems they are pretty much prepared to do what Winston and Jacinda demand - unless that is, their membership tells James Shaw to get real and go with National!

 

 

Did your miss yesterday's article that commented on the possibility of a National/NZF government.

 

 

No, I didn't miss it, I actually posted this link to the thread about the open letter to James Shaw:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11932157

 

So, what is your prediction of the result?

 

Mine is Labour plus Greens with NZ First on the cross benches.

 

 

I dont have a prediction. I would prefer Labour/Greens/NZF, but if NZF go with National, it'll be a different government to the previous one, and National will have to support some/a lot of NZF policies. I dont see NZF opting for the cross benches though, as it'll mean they wont get as many (or any) of their bottom lines through.


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  Reply # 1883171 13-Oct-2017 21:40
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MaxLV:

 


They (all parties) have until November to form a Governor General approved government.

NZF did get their negotiations completed by 12/10/2017.

 

Now all they have to do is discuss the deals they've been offered, and decide which one to take. No need to rush that IMHO, and that's one of the reasons why I party voted for

 

NZF. I'm glad they're 'King Maker again'. They can take all the time they need.

 

 

You are of course quite correct - negotiations completed by 12/10/2017. Been there, done that with old Winnie. So nothing surprises me with that old battler. A lot of younger folk don't get it though and I can understand their frustration.

 

My own frustration is only about "unnamed" board members taking responsibility for the direction of NZ. I have big concerns around that because I have not kept up with the play. Is there for instance, potential for an unnamed board member to influence future direction that gives him unfair long term advantage? 

 

This arrogant Peters approach to protect the privacy of the decision makers I find quite distasteful and would happily support a re-election if it was called for. As I said I have not kept up and will look through NZ media tonight.

 

One thing I do feel quite confident about. IF a re-election was held tomorrow, NZF would be gone by lunchtime.

 

 


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  Reply # 1883183 13-Oct-2017 22:03
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DaveB:

 

MaxLV:

 


They (all parties) have until November to form a Governor General approved government.

NZF did get their negotiations completed by 12/10/2017.

 

Now all they have to do is discuss the deals they've been offered, and decide which one to take. No need to rush that IMHO, and that's one of the reasons why I party voted for

 

NZF. I'm glad they're 'King Maker again'. They can take all the time they need.

 

 

You are of course quite correct - negotiations completed by 12/10/2017. Been there, done that with old Winnie. So nothing surprises me with that old battler. A lot of younger folk don't get it though and I can understand their frustration.

 

My own frustration is only about "unnamed" board members taking responsibility for the direction of NZ. I have big concerns around that because I have not kept up with the play. Is there for instance, potential for an unnamed board member to influence future direction that gives him unfair long term advantage? 

 

This arrogant Peters approach to protect the privacy of the decision makers I find quite distasteful and would happily support a re-election if it was called for. As I said I have not kept up and will look through NZ media tonight.

 

One thing I do feel quite confident about. IF a re-election was held tomorrow, NZF would be gone by lunchtime.

 

 

 

The board members list of names were made public by RNZ yesteday, after they (apparently) got the list from NZF. As for Winston saying they should be private, he's quite right. Once their names and contact details were known, at the very least they'll be hounded by the so called 'media' about who they're going to choose, what was the agreement, etc, etc. In fact one of them was contacted by the media within two hours of the list of names being released by RNZ. That's wrong and shouldn't happen.

 

"Information about who is on the board has been difficult to find - it's not listed on the party's website nor, it seems, in any publicly available party documents.

 

RNZ has been provided with a list of the board which was updated on 18 July this year."

 

www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/341390/who-s-deciding-nz-first-board-list-revealed

 


As to them 'taking responsibility' for the direction of New Zealand, do you hold the same concerns about 150 Greens delegates who'll decide if the Greens accept a coalition with Labour (or National)?

 

What about the unknown/unnamed Labour Party people who'll decide to accept any coalition with the Greens or NZF? Or the unknown/unnamed National party people who'll decide to have a coalition with NZF?

 

It's not just the politicians that make that decision. They all have 'movers and shakers' in the background who'll also decide what any coalition will be for their party.

 

Singling out NZF is a tad hypocritical IMHO.  


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  Reply # 1883193 13-Oct-2017 22:38
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This thread has got too frenetic. Does Winnie want a legacy? If so, that won't happen if he plays super hardball once he makes a choice. Should he work for NZ, and unlike when one party has a mandate where they can do what they like, NZF cooperates with whoever it is with to make gains for NZ, then thats a legacy. There is almost zero cooperation in Parliament. Once you win, you rule. Maybe a better coalition that can get along, might be a better choice.

 

But so far here, its like a Trump thread, a Sky thread, something to hate and time to vent. 


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  Reply # 1883195 13-Oct-2017 22:44
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Re the time line. He said 12 Oct, thats been done. But the NZF internal vote is now a next week issue. Thats no big deal, Re the media, him getting into them. Well, there has been no news and we all know there will be no news, so why does the media ask all these questions? To fill columns. Labour and Greens have no issue, Bill's been oddly quiet, so just wait till next week. Many of us here criticise the media, well, this thread is the same lately. 

 

Chill out


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