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#1886474 19-Oct-2017 21:39

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I just watched JA telecast, they appear to me, (not being a political whiz) that its a Labour/ NZF coalition. Greens frozen out as the media said. So you are right. But JA said they will get ministerial posts, proportionate. That is a sound compromise. Confidence and Supply. Ministerial posts. And a say. What I take from this, is that go green, go eco, they all want it, but pop that left social extreme in the bin before you enter the premises.

They can be given portfolios outside Cabinet.

Yes. To me thats a good sign. NZF have more control, but Greens are not shut out. I watched all interviews, and ok, they have to say the right things, but I do sense a level of cooperation that goes beyond wet tea towels at 20 paces. ANY politician should want the best for NZ, irregardless of the leaning. I sensed that tonight. WP was asked a few questions that he passed back to JA to answer. I see no power play. I dont actually expect one, but lets wait and see

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#1886484 19-Oct-2017 22:07

A government of the people, for the people, by Winston Peters.

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#1886491 19-Oct-2017 22:30

Dingbatt: Dammit, I forgot about the tax cuts! Well, I guess the charities I was going to give it to will have to look elsewhere, because that money is gone and any other donations will be going to help pay my ten cents a litre Auckland petrol tax.

If they can pull a rabbit out of the hat and get everyone paying their fair share, instead of those of us stuck in the middle paying for it all, that will be a better fairer NZ from my perspective.

But you wont need to wait until you're 67 (or older) to be eligible for govt super either. Swings and roundabouts....

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#1886616 20-Oct-2017 07:00

It just dawned on me this morning that only in New Zealand where in a race, 3 losers can gang up and come out collective winners!

No wonder everyone gets praised for being average, and being too ahead of the game is loathed.

But there you go! Not a rant, just honest observation.

Let's hope the country is better as a result.

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#1886618 20-Oct-2017 07:10

Batman:

It just dawned on me this morning that only in New Zealand where in a race, 3 losers can gang up and come out collective winners!

No wonder everyone gets praised for being average, and being too ahead of the game is loathed.

But there you go! Not a rant, just honest observation.

Let's hope the country is better as a result.

Well, in the election there was no winner, there was no majority, and thus no mandate. I feel this coalition and arrangement is more representative than paying off ACT and Maori then leaving them to it. End of the day, if this new Govt does do its best to work for the country, then as the late great Tom Petty sung, Its Good Enough

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#1886621 20-Oct-2017 07:42

Batman:

A government of the people, for the people, by Winston Peters.

Let me fix that for you:

A government of Wellington Central/Grey Lynn, for Wellington Central/Grey Lynn, by Winston Peters.

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#1886631 20-Oct-2017 08:13

Batman:

It just dawned on me this morning that only in New Zealand where in a race, 3 losers can gang up and come out collective winners!

No wonder everyone gets praised for being average, and being too ahead of the game is loathed.

But there you go! Not a rant, just honest observation.

Let's hope the country is better as a result.

MMP is not a speed race it is a points race. We knew that when we voted it in and we know it now when we cast our election choices.

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#1886638 20-Oct-2017 08:21

MikeB4:

Batman:

It just dawned on me this morning that only in New Zealand where in a race, 3 losers can gang up and come out collective winners!

No wonder everyone gets praised for being average, and being too ahead of the game is loathed.

But there you go! Not a rant, just honest observation.

Let's hope the country is better as a result.

MMP is not a speed race it is a points race. We knew that when we voted it in and we know it now when we cast our election choices.

I think the issue is that MMP is great, unless it gives a result someone doesn't want, then it has failed.

So lets do FPP, there is no majority so National is asked to form a Govt, it cannot. Labour is then asked if it can, and it does. Same result, except MMP allows representation based on vote % and not seat count, so we avoid those electoral boundary issues, and where I get lots of votes but no seats as I just missed out on many

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#1886643 20-Oct-2017 08:27

FPP really encouraged parties to go wild, It was Nat or Lab and we got these grand plans like Rogernomics coming out of it. MMP and by virtue of MMP means that unless the country REALLY likes a single party they need to compromise and talk with other parties. I would hate to think where we would be with a 3 term national only government without Act/UF holding in effect veto power

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#1886668 20-Oct-2017 08:31

I have no issues with change in govt, as I said I have no investment to lose or business to run. Just called the horse race as i see it. And i didn't call mmp a failure, the new govt is formed fair and square, by the rules.

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#1886669 20-Oct-2017 08:35

The only change I would like to see to MMP is that all Party's be required to declare their preferred coalition partners and those they will not consider as partners before voting starts, that way the voting public will know more of what they are voting for. This secret squirrel stuff inside the cone of silence has to stop and is not democratic.

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#1886676 20-Oct-2017 08:54

MikeB4:

The only change I would like to see to MMP is that all Party's be required to declare their preferred coalition partners and those they will not consider as partners before voting starts, that way the voting public will know more of what they are voting for. This secret squirrel stuff inside the cone of silence has to stop and is not democratic.

I agree, but wont that be a minefield? I had no issue with the time taken by NZF, but if all parties have to have negotiations in real time, as policies get added over the campaign, thats a nightmare. If they all declared the final policies before the campaign, allow 2 weeks to add new ones once they see what others offer, then that gets locked down and the campaign starts, thats doable. When the campaign ends then they lock in the partners they will deal with, but even then thats the night before the vote

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#1886677 20-Oct-2017 08:57

We will apparently see the policy deal in the next day or so? I get the feeling, and hope it is correct, that it wasnt bid more bid more bid more, it was more about compromise and compatibility, than NZF getting so much policy and so much more cost to the country