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#1985398 29-Mar-2018 13:35

gulfa:

I look at today the accusations about lying by the present Govt when they have not backed up their policies that they promoted during their campaign as not really lies but finding out more info and changing because of this.

One doesn't need to look too far to find ample evidence of the present Govt lying.

From the Cabinet Manual:

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#1985406 29-Mar-2018 13:55

"Im talking about the likes of kiwibuild, where a little bit of basic knowledge and common sense could have gone a looooong way. If they had planned to use land which was subsequently affected by a earthquake, then that would be ok. But I don't think they even researched if there would be sufficient land available to meet their targets, they just pulled a number out of the air, not because they ever intended to build them. They said it solely to get into government"

I have only read a little about kiwibuild and have not reached an opinion on this. I was a builder in Tokoroa years ago where we were building 3 Bedroom houses in less than a month a often wonder why it takes so long these days Mind you there they were only around a 100sq m (1000 sq ft). But they were comfortable and well constructed. It is interesting to see groups talking about modular and pre framed houses and this could be one of the answers I don't know why people need to live in some of these almost mansions these days. As you get older you only want something of reasonable size that is comfortable and warm and easy to look after

I guess its a fine line but promises were being made all around by both parties. I remember saying before the election we were all going to better of with all the policy statements (Cant prove National weren't lying because they are not in power) Still prefer to recognise these as policy changes rather than lies. But perhaps that just me because according to an earlier poster I have low standards But I guess believing in people and giving them the benefit of doubt is the reason for my low standards.

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#1985412 29-Mar-2018 14:02

Something like 25 western countries have now expelled Russian Diplomats in disgust at what Russia did in the UK. NZ has still done nothing. These countries are all allies and trading partners. This is disgusting. What is she trying to achieve? IS she at odds here with Winston? IS there a spat?

Something has to be going on for this to happen. We could have easily expelled 1 diplomat as Australia only expelled 2. Maybe Winston wants a free trade agreement with Russia and wants all the other ones to expire?

Somebody needs to put some intelligence into this Government as it is failing fast and could cost NZ billions.

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#1985421 29-Mar-2018 14:22

Curran should resign as Dalziel did for comparable misconduct under Clarke's leadership.

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#1985423 29-Mar-2018 14:23

MikeAqua:

Curran should resign as Dalziel did for comparable misconduct under Clarke's leadership.

Agreed.

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#1985424 29-Mar-2018 14:24

Pumpedd:

Something like 25 western countries have now expelled Russian Diplomats in disgust at what Russia did in the UK. NZ has still done nothing. These countries are all allies and trading partners. This is disgusting. What is she trying to achieve? IS she at odds here with Winston? IS there a spat?

Something has to be going on for this to happen. We could have easily expelled 1 diplomat as Australia only expelled 2. Maybe Winston wants a free trade agreement with Russia and wants all the other ones to expire?

Somebody needs to put some intelligence into this Government as it is failing fast and could cost NZ billions.

There is a well researched analysis of the "Russia" story here:

https://www.libertas.digital/blog/2018/3/28/the-definitive-timeline-of-the-governments-russia-fiasco

It's definitely worth a look.

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#1985438 29-Mar-2018 14:51

6FIEND:

There is a well researched analysis of the "Russia" story here:

https://www.libertas.digital/blog/2018/3/28/the-definitive-timeline-of-the-governments-russia-fiasco

It's definitely worth a look.

What cluster

Sometimes it's better to let people think you are unfit to lead than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

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#1985449 29-Mar-2018 15:08

6FIEND:

Pumpedd:

Something like 25 western countries have now expelled Russian Diplomats in disgust at what Russia did in the UK. NZ has still done nothing. These countries are all allies and trading partners. This is disgusting. What is she trying to achieve? IS she at odds here with Winston? IS there a spat?

Something has to be going on for this to happen. We could have easily expelled 1 diplomat as Australia only expelled 2. Maybe Winston wants a free trade agreement with Russia and wants all the other ones to expire?

Somebody needs to put some intelligence into this Government as it is failing fast and could cost NZ billions.

There is a well researched analysis of the "Russia" story here:

https://www.libertas.digital/blog/2018/3/28/the-definitive-timeline-of-the-governments-russia-fiasco

It's definitely worth a look.

It's almost like a scripted comedy but sadly it is not. I wonder if the Government is consulting its officials before speaking.

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#1985640 29-Mar-2018 20:04

MikeB4:

6FIEND:

Pumpedd:

Something like 25 western countries have now expelled Russian Diplomats in disgust at what Russia did in the UK. NZ has still done nothing. These countries are all allies and trading partners. This is disgusting. What is she trying to achieve? IS she at odds here with Winston? IS there a spat?

Something has to be going on for this to happen. We could have easily expelled 1 diplomat as Australia only expelled 2. Maybe Winston wants a free trade agreement with Russia and wants all the other ones to expire?

Somebody needs to put some intelligence into this Government as it is failing fast and could cost NZ billions.

There is a well researched analysis of the "Russia" story here:

https://www.libertas.digital/blog/2018/3/28/the-definitive-timeline-of-the-governments-russia-fiasco

It's definitely worth a look.

It's almost like a scripted comedy but sadly it is not. I wonder if the Government is consulting its officials before speaking.

Seems they did some ineffective travel ban tonight....just doesnt make sense...too little too late

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#1985847 30-Mar-2018 09:50

So look at the way Labour handled the summer camp, compare this to how Australia handled the Cricketing scandal. (I am not comparing the seriousness of the two)

The whole Cricket thing is over in under a week. The parties admitted fault, ICC completed it's investigation in under 2 days, Australia Cricket did theirs and handed out penalties within 4 days and last night the coach, the guy ultimately responsible for the team, who says he had no knowledge but accepts it was his responsibility, has resigned.

How Kirton hasn't resigned and that the ministers who knew haven't been suspended or handed in their portfolios, and others have been suspended on pay pending an investigation, is utterly beyond me.

It's obvious to everyone, except the Prime Minister who is the one person who categorically should know, that this is what should have happened.

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#1985861 30-Mar-2018 10:17

Not sure Australia is the best example. They may have accepted responsibility, but they certainly weren't eager to accept blame. Initially it was more like what is everyone getting so worked up about? My impression is that the serious repercussions only kicked in when it became apparent that the rest of the world wasn't going to let this lie.

The bigger question in my mind is why is it so godalmighty important to the Aussies to be winners that they would rather win by cheating than lose with honour? Something is seriously out of kilter there.

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#1985864 30-Mar-2018 10:22

Rikkitic:

Not sure Australia is the best example. They may have accepted responsibility, but they certainly weren't eager to accept blame. Initially it was more like what is everyone getting so worked up about? My impression is that the serious repercussions only kicked in when it became apparent that the rest of the world wasn't going to let this lie.

The bigger question in my mind is why is it so godalmighty important to the Aussies to be winners that they would rather win by cheating than lose with honour? Something is seriously out of kilter there.

Cricket Australia didn't act this way however, the players did. The leadership stood up and did the right thing, and it took less than a week! The leadership had a few faltering moments too, failing to us the C word when asked directly wasn't a good look. Having said that, the right decisions were made and quickly, in the end. Parties have been held responsible.

I agree about the why they would do this, it's obviously a culture and pressure thing. They felt coming home as losers weren't acceptable, and this is a leadership problem.

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#1986027 30-Mar-2018 16:11

Rikkitic:
Not sure Australia is the best example. They may have accepted responsibility, but they certainly weren't eager to accept blame. Initially it was more like what is everyone getting so worked up about? My impression is that the serious repercussions only kicked in when it became apparent that the rest of the world wasn't going to let this lie.

The bigger question in my mind is why is it so godalmighty important to the Aussies to be winners that they would rather win by cheating than lose with honour? Something is seriously out of kilter there.

That's what happens when you turn it from a game played by gentlemen to a commercial enterprise.

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#1986294 31-Mar-2018 10:57

Judging from the increasingly critical and negative slant of the press to the government in the past few weeks, I think we can certainly say that the honeymoon is over.

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#1986310 31-Mar-2018 11:43

Geektastic:

Judging from the increasingly critical and negative slant of the press to the government in the past few weeks, I think we can certainly say that the honeymoon is over.

Well deserved negative slant. Its high time they stopped the adulation she has had since the election and treated her as a politician. She deserves no special treatment. She chose the job and she either survives or falls based on her success or lack thereof. I will congratulate for the things she does well and criticise her for the things she doesnt. So far imo she doesnt get my congratulations. Still early days.

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