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#1988026 4-Apr-2018 09:46

MikeB4:

Light rail is used very well in many cities around the globe. International Airports in China for example use them. I would rather use one of those than spend 30 minute to crawl a fe KM and sit in Mount Victoria tunnel.

I agree with your comments on light-rail.

But ... I regularly commute via Wellington Airport and I can't remember ever having a 30 minute car ride to the CBD. It's usually about 20 minutes during peak times.

I've also never seen the traffic sit stationary within the Mt Vic tunnel. The bottlenecks are merge points just prior to the tunnel in both directions. Traffic actually within the tunnel seems to flow OK, even during peak times.

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#1988027 4-Apr-2018 09:51

MikeAqua:

MikeB4:

Light rail is used very well in many cities around the globe. International Airports in China for example use them. I would rather use one of those than spend 30 minute to crawl a fe KM and sit in Mount Victoria tunnel.

I agree with your comments on light-rail.

But ... I regularly commute via Wellington Airport and I can't remember ever having a 30 minute car ride to the CBD. It's usually about 20 minutes during peak times.

I've also never seen the traffic sit stationary within the Mt Vic tunnel. The bottlenecks are merge points just prior to the tunnel in both directions. Traffic actually within the tunnel seems to flow OK, even during peak times.

It depends on times, on a few occasions it has taken more than 30 minutes to get to the tunnel. The alternative around Greta Point has got worse and seems to have a endless queue of taxis.

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#1988029 4-Apr-2018 09:55

Geektastic: Travelling the UK with no car has been pretty difficult since Dr Beeching axed many of the branch lines in the 50s really.

You can get to the major cities, but after that you're in need of a car, especially if you want to get out into the countryside.

The roads are of course generally much better so driving is easier and flying less common than here over comparable distances.

I'd agree with your son, Mike, that you don't need a car in London though. It would just be a liability.

He uses trains, planes, boats and bikes. He has cycled some of the canal tracks and used boats on them. He loves the train trips especially to Scotland. He reckons anyone who owns a car in London is certifiably mad.

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#1988040 4-Apr-2018 10:11

rjt123: " "Look at it this way," said Twyford. "For half the cost of the former government's East West Link, between Penrose and Onehunga, we could put a median barrier on every kilometre of state highway in New Zealand."

This will increase congestion by removing numerous safe overtaking opportunities and blocking driveway access.

To use an example of a road I drive often: Between Nelson and Blenheim (SH6) there are a couple of dozen places to safely overtake a small slow vehicle - for example a camper-van. There are additional place where it's safe to pass slow traffic that pulls over. Install wire medians the whole way and you are down to two short uphill passing lanes.

Medians also prevent right turns into driveways so you end up with people doing u-turns at cross roads, in order to double back and access their driveways.

Installing wire medians where there are double yellow lines is something I could support. Although referring back to my SH6 example above - there are stretches where there isn't room. To install cheese-cutter medians you would need to widen the roadway, in difficult terrain. $$$$ I can think of plenty of section of other SHs I have driven that present similar challenges.

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#1988041 4-Apr-2018 10:18

So JA was challenged by Hosking about the "no new taxes" and is arguing that this Petrol tax isn't technically "new" as they talked about an Auckland Tax.

Is there anything that she can't twist? From my perspective, it's a new tax as there was no mention of a National Tax ever mentioned before.

How do others view this? New tax? Is Labour being dishonest?

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#1988042 4-Apr-2018 10:19

MikeB4:

It depends on times, on a few occasions it has taken more than 30 minutes to get to the tunnel. The alternative around Greta Point has got worse and seems to have a endless queue of taxis.

Yeah Evans Bay is a lottery (another route where cyclists hold up buses in places). The other alternative is to go through Newton and come out onto Taranaki St.

I've done this on occasions when the tunnel is blocked due to a breakdown or accident. Much to my taxi driver's disgust.

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#1988046 4-Apr-2018 10:29

networkn:

So JA was challenged by Hosking about the "no new taxes" and is arguing that this Petrol tax isn't technically "new" as they talked about an Auckland Tax.

Is there anything that she can't twist? From my perspective, it's a new tax as there was no mention of a National Tax ever mentioned before.

How do others view this? New tax? Is Labour being dishonest?

You should know by now that she TALKS a lot but SAYS nothing.

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#1988049 4-Apr-2018 10:31

Pumpedd:

You should know by now that she TALKS a lot but SAYS nothing.

I think she is saying something this time. I just don't like it.

To be fair her policy of a lot of words and no action isn't limited to her, or even Labour.

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#1988050 4-Apr-2018 10:31

networkn:

So JA was challenged by Hosking about the "no new taxes" and is arguing that this Petrol tax isn't technically "new" as they talked about an Auckland Tax.

Is there anything that she can't twist? From my perspective, it's a new tax as there was no mention of a National Tax ever mentioned before.

How do others view this? New tax? Is Labour being dishonest?

To be fair all politicians do it, John Key was the master of spin and Joyce was his apprentice. Winston never stops spinning.

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#1988052 4-Apr-2018 10:33

MikeB4:

To be fair all politicians do it, John Key was the master of spin and Joyce was his apprentice. Winston never stops spinning.

This is something different. To me, this falls under lying or at the very least deliberately misleading.

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#1988053 4-Apr-2018 10:35

networkn:

MikeB4:

networkn:

Trams as opposed to light rail to the airport? Please tell me they are joking? Maybe I am out of date, but I have never been on a tram that went fast enough that you would use it instead of a bus at long distances?

Light rail is used very well in many cities around the globe. International Airports in China for example use them. I would rather use one of those than spend 30 minute to crawl a fe KM and sit in Mount Victoria tunnel.

I don't think you read what I wrote. I am FOR light rail, but Labour is talking TRAM to the Airport.

We need something that goes Britomart to the Airport that is fast quiet and efficient. Ideally without the need to change from one train to the next.

The real issue here is not whether they're called trams or light rail...

The issue is that the route is actually planned to take up space on existing roads. ie. It's going to cause significant and on-going disruption to what is already one of Auckland's busiest thoroughfares.

Light rail to the airport could be a great idea if it created a new transport corridor instead of taking up an existing one.

(and, of course, if it formed part of a transportation network instead of simply being a point-to-point solution)

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#1988057 4-Apr-2018 10:38

I would prefer it NOT run down Dom Road, that sounds like a disaster. I think it should run down the motorway and have a bus network that connects you to those stops, with a max of say... 6 stops between Britomart and AA.

I would be happy to pay quite a premium on my petrol if they ran rail from Albany to Britomart and Britomart to the Airport. It's badly needed.

Maybe I'll take a sabbatical and go live in Singapore while it's built :)

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#1988084 4-Apr-2018 10:44

6FIEND:

The real issue here is not whether they're called trams or light rail...

The issue is that the route is actually planned to take up space on existing roads. ie. It's going to cause significant and on-going disruption to what is already one of Auckland's busiest thoroughfares.

Light rail to the airport could be a great idea if it created a new transport corridor instead of taking up an existing one.

(and, of course, if it formed part of a transportation network instead of simply being a point-to-point solution)

Its appropriate to remember that this is not just an Auckland issue, other cities have major transport issues and the Government is discussing a national change in the fuel excise (tax by any other name......)

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#1988086 4-Apr-2018 10:46

We can't fit any more buses through the CBD. We need to be replacing bus routes.

The Light Rail Network is part of a network, it's not just airport > city. There are plans for SH16 and a Harbour LRT crossing.

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#1988089 4-Apr-2018 10:50

networkn:

So JA was challenged by Hosking about the "no new taxes" and is arguing that this Petrol tax isn't technically "new" as they talked about an Auckland Tax.

Is there anything that she can't twist? From my perspective, it's a new tax as there was no mention of a National Tax ever mentioned before.

How do others view this? New tax? Is Labour being dishonest?

When Duncan Garner asked Cindy how a single mother of 3 who is a cleaner is going to afford this increase in petrol tax? The answer from Cindy was clear. “We will give those in that situation $75 a week to cover the extra costs.”

So now it seems that Labour's "Families Package" is now no longer about lifting children out of poverty. Instead it is merely insulating (some) families from the increased costs that the Labour Government is causing.

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