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#1989025 5-Apr-2018 19:50

Geektastic: Is this fuel excise duty increase inclusive of GST?

Yes it will. It's an increase in the excise that already has GST levied.

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#1989063 5-Apr-2018 21:04

Geektastic: I see they have begun politicising the Reserve Bank now....

I heard Brash on the radio interviewed by Hosking on this topic. Brash said he could not understand the furore and that nothing had really changed much. Hosking was saying yeah I looked at it too agree overblown not much to see here.

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#1989068 5-Apr-2018 21:21

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Play the ball, not the man....

I am. I am having a go at your persistent behaviour of trying to change the focus from Labour and the mess it's making, to the National Government and what it may or may not have done.

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#1989070 5-Apr-2018 21:29

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12026908

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#1989092 5-Apr-2018 22:25

MikeB4:

Geektastic: Is this fuel excise duty increase inclusive of GST?

Yes it will. It's an increase in the excise that already has GST levied.

As per the Herald this evening, it seems the cents increase announced did not include GST, which will be levied on top...!

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#1989098 5-Apr-2018 22:32

I am wondering if you take into account the new petrol taxes, and the fact that Labour are revoking budgets on already approved or planned roads, are we getting close to 11B ?

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#1989100 5-Apr-2018 22:36

GV27:

MaxLV:

Geektastic:

I see they have begun politicising the Reserve Bank now....

Something the National Party have never done right?

Oh wait, Don Brash. Ever heard of him?

Wikipedia can help you here:

Donald Thomas Brash (born 24 September 1940), formerly a New Zealand politician, was Leader of the Opposition, parliamentary leader of the National Party (the country's main Opposition party at that time) from 28 October 2003 to 27 November 2006 and the leader of the ACT Party from 28 April 2011 to 26 November 2011. Before entering Parliament, Brash was Governor of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand from 1988 to 2002.

HTH.

Ahahaha so because he was RBNZ Gov BEFORE becoming the National Party leader?

Guess it's different to all those ex-TVNZ staffers who joined the Labour Party, were they politicising the state broadcaster then?

Yeah we all know he was 'nominated and elected' for the party political positions solely on the basis of his willingness to put his name forward. Yeah right. Mine's a Tui thanks.

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#1989101 5-Apr-2018 22:39

networkn:

MaxLV:

Play the ball, not the man....

I am. I am having a go at your persistent behaviour of trying to change the focus from Labour and the mess it's making, to the National Government and what it may or may not have done.

No you're not. EOS

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#1989136 5-Apr-2018 23:22

MaxLV:

networkn:

MaxLV:

Play the ball, not the man....

I am. I am having a go at your persistent behaviour of trying to change the focus from Labour and the mess it's making, to the National Government and what it may or may not have done.

No you're not. EOS

Yes, I am EOS x Infinity!

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#1989177 6-Apr-2018 07:24

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rjt123: "There will be no new taxes or levies introduced in our first term of Government beyond those we have already announced."
- Grant Robertson

Was the likelihood of a Nationwide fuel levy announced before the election? I couldn't see any record of it.

The fiscal mismanagement legacy of the previous National government:

"National’s roads of national significance – which have been eating up 40 % of the entire transport spend for roads that carry only 4% of the nation’s cars and trucks – is also politically significant. Having harvested votes from the regions at every election, National has proceeded to starve provincial New Zealand of their roading (and related road safety needs) between elections."

"Even National were going to be raising the fuel excise tax by 10-20 cents a litre in order to pay for their Roads of National Significance. So…any which way you look at it, fixing up the past nine years of neglect of our transport needs was always going to involve extra money and some additional hardship. How much? The new draft transport plan unveiled yesterday envisages adding about 3 to 4 cents a litre each year for the next three years, to the cost of petrol."

http://werewolf.co.nz/2018/04/gordon-campbell-on-making-our-roads-safer-less-congested/

HTH

I think you missed the point (or conveniently ignored it), being not that labour increased it, but that they said they weren't going to. A significant theme running through this thread has been about Labour's broken promises and their lack of honesty.

Personally I'm not too concerned about an increase in the tax because it doesn't really affect me. what I don't like is that Robertson and Jacinda denied furiously the $11 billion hole and now they're scrambling to cover up it's growing reality.

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#1989184 6-Apr-2018 07:50

MikeB4:
Geektastic: Is this fuel excise duty increase inclusive of GST?

Yes it will. It's an increase in the excise that already has GST levied.

Considering the push-back on this thread by some over National's decision to increase GST when they were in government, it is interesting to observe their silence when Labour , who campaigned over a fairer tax system, choose a regressive tax as their first tax increase. It calls into question their understanding of how tax works, and makes me wonder what the results of the tax working group will be. 🤣🤣🤣

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#1989197 6-Apr-2018 08:19

rjt123:
MikeB4:

Geektastic: Is this fuel excise duty increase inclusive of GST?

Yes it will. It's an increase in the excise that already has GST levied.

Considering the push-back on this thread by some over National's decision to increase GST when they were in government, it is interesting to observe their silence when Labour , who campaigned over a fairer tax system, choose a regressive tax as their first tax increase. It calls into question their understanding of how tax works, and makes me wonder what the results of the tax working group will be. 🤣🤣🤣

But it isn't a tax increase it's an increase in excise as Jacinda Ardern said many many times in an interview. Except ..... Excise "a tax levied on certain goods and commodities produced or sold within a country and on licences granted for certain activities."

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#1989219 6-Apr-2018 08:50

Soon we will be able to say "Oh that's just a load of Jacinda!" Instead of saying BS......!

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#1989221 6-Apr-2018 08:54

MaxLV:

GV27:

MaxLV:

Geektastic:

I see they have begun politicising the Reserve Bank now....

Something the National Party have never done right?

Oh wait, Don Brash. Ever heard of him?

Wikipedia can help you here:

Donald Thomas Brash (born 24 September 1940), formerly a New Zealand politician, was Leader of the Opposition, parliamentary leader of the National Party (the country's main Opposition party at that time) from 28 October 2003 to 27 November 2006 and the leader of the ACT Party from 28 April 2011 to 26 November 2011. Before entering Parliament, Brash was Governor of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand from 1988 to 2002.

HTH.

Ahahaha so because he was RBNZ Gov BEFORE becoming the National Party leader?

Guess it's different to all those ex-TVNZ staffers who joined the Labour Party, were they politicising the state broadcaster then?

Yeah we all know he was 'nominated and elected' for the party political positions solely on the basis of his willingness to put his name forward. Yeah right. Mine's a Tui thanks.

He was a high profile name with credibility when it come to economic matters. Again, do you have anything to say about the number of ex-TVNZ staffers who have become Labour Party MPs/Press Secs over the years? Does that to you indicate a concerning politicizing of the supposedly neutral state broadcaster?

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#1989227 6-Apr-2018 09:05

A group of us were discussing JA a couple of nights back, I know we were at a boring function, anyway We felt the NZ and the coalition are still in the post honeymoon phase but there are already signs that the leadership (not just JA) is faltering and we felt that things will drift on for 2018 but 2019 will be a different ball game. If things don't improve or worsen which is more likely leadership challenges will come. The challenges may result in a divorce and we will have an early election.

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