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  Reply # 1896475 6-Nov-2017 23:45
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Don't need to assume, it was reported in the news what an outstanding result it was all around lol!


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  Reply # 1896491 7-Nov-2017 00:04
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You didn't quote the news story. Did it say 'a waste of time and taxpayers money all around'?

 

 





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  Reply # 1896520 7-Nov-2017 07:23
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bmt:

 

She went to Australia for brunch - she was literally there a few hours. 

 

If you're going to have a wah about her "achieving nothing" or "being told to go home" -

 

 

New Zealand has virtually no chance of convincing Australia to change its mind on massive hikes to Kiwi expatriates' university fees, Foreign Minister Gerry Brownlee has conceded ahead of bilateral talks today.

 

In his first assignment in foreign affairs, Brownlee will meet with his Australian counterpart Julie Bishop in Sydney this morning, where he plans to discuss not only the controversial education proposals but also the broader decline of the transtasman relationship.

 

Asked whether there was any possibility of reversing the tertiary education proposals or getting an exemption for New Zealanders, Brownlee said: "I don't believe so.

 

As for the refugees, National made the original offer and got told no. How's it any different now?

 

 

Exactly. Both tried to change something that they realise they probably wont be able to, but they tried. That is what we want our Governments to do for us

 

Why is it different now? This is a bashing thread


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  Reply # 1896562 7-Nov-2017 08:35
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What did you really think Jacinda could change?

 

She is the junior....and I am sure Malcolm is laughing at her (not that I think much of him either). She came away with nothing...even Bishop was too busy to meet with her.


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  Reply # 1896570 7-Nov-2017 08:45
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Pumpedd:

 

What did you really think Jacinda could change?

 

She is the junior....and I am sure Malcolm is laughing at her (not that I think much of him either). She came away with nothing...even Bishop was too busy to meet with her.

 

 

I don't get the issue with this. She is the new PM, we are neighbours with OZ, they meet. If nothing else, its relationship building, and as is well known, and Ive read that twice recently, relationships matter in politics. What if Bill resigned pre election, and National won, and Paula Bennett the new PM met with Turnbull, would we bash her? No, praise her as she is National. As I sad just before, this isn't a discussion thread its just a bashing thread, albeit entertaining.


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  Reply # 1896573 7-Nov-2017 08:59
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

I don't get the issue with this. She is the new PM, we are neighbours with OZ, they meet. If nothing else, its relationship building, and as is well known, and Ive read that twice recently, relationships matter in politics. What if Bill resigned pre election, and National won, and Paula Bennett the new PM met with Turnbull, would we bash her? No, praise her as she is National. As I sad just before, this isn't a discussion thread its just a bashing thread, albeit entertaining.

 

 

No one is claiming that it was a waste of time just because JA meet with Turnbull. It's clearly a waste of time to discuss that matter further no matter who met with Turnbull. 


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  Reply # 1896581 7-Nov-2017 09:23
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Pumpedd:

 

What did you really think Jacinda could change?

 

She is the junior....and I am sure Malcolm is laughing at her (not that I think much of him either). She came away with nothing...even Bishop was too busy to meet with her.

 

 

I don't get the issue with this. She is the new PM, we are neighbours with OZ, they meet. If nothing else, its relationship building, and as is well known, and Ive read that twice recently, relationships matter in politics. What if Bill resigned pre election, and National won, and Paula Bennett the new PM met with Turnbull, would we bash her? No, praise her as she is National. As I sad just before, this isn't a discussion thread its just a bashing thread, albeit entertaining.

 

 

Like a lot of people I would leave the country if Paula Bennett became PM....at least Paula has some leadership experience however.


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  Reply # 1896583 7-Nov-2017 09:31
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Pumpedd:

 

What did you really think Jacinda could change?

 

She is the junior....and I am sure Malcolm is laughing at her (not that I think much of him either). She came away with nothing...even Bishop was too busy to meet with her.

 

 

I don't get the issue with this. She is the new PM, we are neighbours with OZ, they meet. If nothing else, its relationship building, and as is well known, and Ive read that twice recently, relationships matter in politics. What if Bill resigned pre election, and National won, and Paula Bennett the new PM met with Turnbull, would we bash her? No, praise her as she is National. As I sad just before, this isn't a discussion thread its just a bashing thread, albeit entertaining.

 

 

I would have an issue with PB having gone to Australia for brunch, surely they could have arranged a later meeting where she could have flown over for a day or two and met with more people and built more relationships, discussed a wider variety of issues. Right now from the outside looking in, she went to Australia with 2 things she wanted, and came away with nothing. 

 

JA gets credit where credit is due (So far there isn't much you could give her a lot of credit for). Labour are in power on the back of the magic she was supposed to have used to make Labour amazing, but in reality that isn't the case. The Greens and NZF absolutely hammered National when they couldn't do more for refugees but when JA can't get anything done (or in fact anything at all) there isn't a peep about the injustice of it all from either party. 

 

If BE was PM instead, and this thread was about him, do you think the people here complaining about how unfairly we are hassling poor Ms Ardern would be giving BE a mm of latitude? Nope. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1896586 7-Nov-2017 09:32
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

I don't get the issue with this. She is the new PM, we are neighbours with OZ, they meet. If nothing else, its relationship building, and as is well known, and Ive read that twice recently, relationships matter in politics. What if Bill resigned pre election, and National won, and Paula Bennett the new PM met with Turnbull, would we bash her? No, praise her as she is National. As I sad just before, this isn't a discussion thread its just a bashing thread, albeit entertaining.

 

 

No one is claiming that it was a waste of time just because JA meet with Turnbull. It's clearly a waste of time to discuss that matter further no matter who met with Turnbull. 

 

 

It was just re affirming the offer from the new Govt, its not that big a deal, nor was it 5 hours of meeting about it either. Quite normal. Probably took 5 minutes. Another piece of drama that never was a drama


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networkn:

 

 

 

If BE was PM instead, and this thread was about him, do you think the people here complaining about how unfairly we are hassling poor Ms Ardern would be giving BE a mm of latitude? Nope. 

 

 

 

 

Disagree. There wouldn't have been a thread, I doubt there ever was one. She is new, and disenchantment that National failed to win the election, that's all this thread is. This huge drama m over a relationship building meeting is a classic example. As @bmt stated, National did the same, met to discuss an issue that they knew would not get agreement, but they tried anyway, good on them. But if JA does it, its a big drama. Thats the difference between a discussion thread and a bashing thread, although it doesnt bother me, I've always taken this thread as a bashing thread!  Maybe in 6 months time the bashing can have evidence, time will tell. If she ended up doing very well after 6 months, the bashing won't change

 

Im surprised there is no beatup on the 26 week paid parental leave yet


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  Reply # 1896634 7-Nov-2017 10:01
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Bill English has just announced the real deal....Aussies will get access to free tertiary education now just like Kiwi students will unless Australia hikes the fees in their country. Madness. 

 

I strongly disagree with NZers getting free tertiary let alone Aussies getting it as well.


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  Reply # 1896657 7-Nov-2017 10:30
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tdgeek:

 

networkn:

 

 

 

If BE was PM instead, and this thread was about him, do you think the people here complaining about how unfairly we are hassling poor Ms Ardern would be giving BE a mm of latitude? Nope. 

 

 

 

 

Disagree. There wouldn't have been a thread, I doubt there ever was one. She is new, and disenchantment that National failed to win the election, that's all this thread is. This huge drama m over a relationship building meeting is a classic example. As @bmt stated, National did the same, met to discuss an issue that they knew would not get agreement, but they tried anyway, good on them. But if JA does it, its a big drama. Thats the difference between a discussion thread and a bashing thread, although it doesnt bother me, I've always taken this thread as a bashing thread!  Maybe in 6 months time the bashing can have evidence, time will tell. If she ended up doing very well after 6 months, the bashing won't change

 

Im surprised there is no beatup on the 26 week paid parental leave yet

 

 

If people are opposed to Labour policy, why would you expect them to change their tune after 6 months? I disagree with free education (I paid for mine BTW and the interest on it). If you introduce it, then it should be the last year of education, not the first and it should require at least a 2 year bond to work in New Zealand. 

 

I disagree with 26 weeks of Paid parental leave, but not because it was a Labour policy (National offered to introduce it too).  I don't understand why the taxpayer should fund peoples choices to have children. I *fully* understand the benefits of having a parent at home, I support the decision to stay home with your kids, but I don't agree with taxpayer covering the bill for it, and not for 6 months anyway. When we had kids, my wife stayed home, and I stayed at work. We tightened our belts and made sacrifices to allow our children time with my wife and vice versa. 


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networkn:

 

 

 

If people are opposed to Labour policy, why would you expect them to change their tune after 6 months? I disagree with free education (I paid for mine BTW and the interest on it). If you introduce it, then it should be the last year of education, not the first and it should require at least a 2 year bond to work in New Zealand. 

 

I disagree with 26 weeks of Paid parental leave, but not because it was a Labour policy (National offered to introduce it too).  I don't understand why the taxpayer should fund peoples choices to have children. I *fully* understand the benefits of having a parent at home, I support the decision to stay home with your kids, but I don't agree with taxpayer covering the bill for it, and not for 6 months anyway. When we had kids, my wife stayed home, and I stayed at work. We tightened our belts and made sacrifices to allow our children time with my wife and vice versa. 

 

 

Re bold, my context is discussion or bashing. There is little discussion here

 

 

 

Re your two points which are discussion. Im luke warm over the free education. There should be a more favourable student loan arrangement, and if you leave the country to work it ALL gets paid back NOW

 

The PPL I don't like. I've had kids, and while some PPL is a really good thing, 6 months???? Thats half a year. Bill fully supports it, and also wants fathers included, so you have a child and an employer(s) has to cover one years salary effectively. I think 4 weeks is more than enough. Maybe another 4 at half pay, but one years salary to absorb for an employee having a baby?  In 10 years time maybe we will get PPL till kids go to school.  :-)


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  Reply # 1896670 7-Nov-2017 10:51
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I don't really think BE supports it, but he knows that like a lot of issues, coming out against it, isn't going to make you very popular with the masses. 

 

I'd be ok with 8 weeks, at a push, maybe 3 months, but 6 months is mental. I get the feeling Labour would push for PPL till your kids leave home if they thought they would get it passed :) 

 

My view is that in general Labour wants to push as much of the support costs to the Tax payer, absolving some of the responsibilites they pickup through their actions, but there is little support for (small) business from Labour in their policies. They don't seem to understand that you need strong business to support all these other people.

 

That isn't benefit bashing, that's math.

 

 


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I don't really think BE supports it, but he knows that like a lot of issues, coming out against it, isn't going to make you very popular with the masses. 

 

I'd be ok with 8 weeks, at a push, maybe 3 months, but 6 months is mental. I get the feeling Labour would push for PPL till your kids leave home if they thought they would get it passed :) 

 

My view is that in general Labour wants to push as much of the support costs to the Tax payer, absolving some of the responsibilites they pickup through their actions, but there is little support for (small) business from Labour in their policies. They don't seem to understand that you need strong business to support all these other people.

 

That isn't benefit bashing, that's math.

 

 

 

 

He does fully support PPL now  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/national-does-u-turn-on-paid-parental-leave.html

 

I tend to agree. National relied to much on a free market to manage things, that doesnt work for everything. Forcing costs onto the taxpayer at a level that is not needed, as in 26 weeks PPL is just as bad. 8 weeks is a nice PPL period IMHO 


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