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  # 1998678 18-Apr-2018 15:28
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networkn:

 

No, I see just fine. 1000 houses, they are capable of a third of the market, so max 3K a year, over 10 years.

 

 

No you don't. You see your preconceptions. Let me take your hand and walk you through it.

 

 

 

He is talking about 3k this year, as an absolute minimum. It is just the start. This is the government's current goal. He then goes on to explain how this figure can be increased over successive years.

 

 

 

"Prefabrication, or offsite manufacture in various ways I have no doubt is going to grow," he said.

 

"A good example is ... elements of the building like roof trusses are often manufactured offsite, or prefabricated and moved onto site as opposed to the traditional way of building the trusses on site."

 

He said about a quarter of the commercial sector was talking about 3D printing and a quarter were talking about smart materials which would allow monitoring of the building throughout its life.

 

Those were very tranferrable to housing, particularly in high density such as apartments or medium density as was seen more and more in Auckland.

 

 

 

"There is some work to do. I am confident if we all have the same goal we will get there."

 

 

 

In other words, he is saying the government's target is achievable. You just don't want to see that.

 

 

 

 





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  # 1998691 18-Apr-2018 15:41
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How about we both put our money where our mouth is? If this plan you are talking about results in 3000 houses this year, I'll donate $100 to a registered charity of your choosing, and if they don't, you do the same to one of mine?

 

It's fairy tales to think they will meet this target, but either way some worthy cause will be better off as a result. 

 

Hope doesn't build houses.

 

BTW if a CEO got a job by promising 100K houses over 10 years and delivered 3K a year instead, how long do you think they would keep their job?  

 

I seriously doubt given your ongoing (and in my opinion largely irrational) hatred of big corporates, you would stand for such lies to be told in the private sector. 

 

The last number Twyford changed was 60K, how is 3K a year, 60K?

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1998696 18-Apr-2018 15:47
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How about we both put our money where our mouth is? If this plan you are talking about results in 3000 houses this year, I'll donate $100 to a registered charity of your choosing, and if they don't, you do the same to one of mine?

 

It's fairy tales to think they will meet this target, but either way some worthy cause will be better off as a result. 

 

Hope doesn't build houses.

 

 

 

 

I think they will strike a number of unforeseen logistical issues scaling that up to the target figure, which will cause delays. There will also be some rather thorny issues surrounding the RMA, something which I have had some unfortunate experience in.

 

 


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  # 1998698 18-Apr-2018 15:48
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networkn:

 

How about we both put our money where our mouth is? If this plan you are talking about results in 3000 houses this year, I'll donate $100 to a registered charity of your choosing, and if they don't, you do the same to one of mine?

 

It's fairy tales to think they will meet this target, but either way some worthy cause will be better off as a result. 

 

Hope doesn't build houses.

 

 

 

 

I think they will strike a number of unforeseen logistical issues scaling that up to the target figure, which will cause delays. There will also be some rather thorny issues surrounding the RMA, something which I have had some unfortunate experience in.

 

 

 

 

No to mention they are struggling to find land, and .. Labour :) One thing I found quite amusing was Labour campaigns on reducing immigration numbers, but then said they would create waivers for all the extra people they need as a result of their policies. 

 

 


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  # 1998700 18-Apr-2018 15:51
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I'm all for worthy causes and I do support a number of charities but this has to be a one-off. I don't have the financial resources to do this every time we disagree and I don't want it to turn into an intimidation tactic. But for this one time I am happy to meet  the challenge and glad that a good cause benefits regardless. You are on.

 

What is the start and finish point and how do we measure it? 

 

 





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  # 1998707 18-Apr-2018 15:55
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Rikkitic:

 

I'm all for worthy causes and I do support a number of charities but this has to be a one-off. I don't have the financial resources to do this every time we disagree and I don't want it to turn into an intimidation tactic. But for this one time I am happy to meet  the challenge and glad that a good cause benefits regardless. You are on.

 

What is the start and finish point and how do we measure it? 

 

 

 

 

Well, they said 1K houses in 2018, so Dec 31 2018 for completion of 1000 houses by master builders and 2K houses from the other 2/3 of the industry they are referring to, at the direction of the Labour Government for Kiwibuild.

 

I am sorry you think I am being intimidating, that wasn't in any way the intention.


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  # 1998709 18-Apr-2018 16:00
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How about we both put our money where our mouth is? If this plan you are talking about results in 3000 houses this year, I'll donate $100 to a registered charity of your choosing, and if they don't, you do the same to one of mine?

 

It's fairy tales to think they will meet this target, but either way some worthy cause will be better off as a result. 

 

Hope doesn't build houses.

 

BTW if a CEO got a job by promising 100K houses over 10 years and delivered 3K a year instead, how long do you think they would keep their job?  

 

I seriously doubt given your ongoing (and in my opinion largely irrational) hatred of big corporates, you would stand for such lies to be told in the private sector. 

 

The last number Twyford changed was 60K, how is 3K a year, 60K?

 

 

 

 

Too many posts sneaking in-between here.

 

I accept your wager but reject your latest accusation. Where on earth do you get it from that I have an ongoing hatred of big corporates? Can you please point to something I said? You are always doing this and it actually does offend me. Please quit telling me what I think or believe. Quit making stuff up. I most certainly do not have an 'ongoing (rational or irrational) hatred of big corporates' and I have never said that I do. Where did you get that from? I have a highly rational hatred of big corporates and anyone else who break the law or behave unethically but that is a completely different matter. If you can't quote me then don't accuse me. It is really offensive to hear you saying what I supposedly believe.

 

 





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# 1998714 18-Apr-2018 16:05
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rjt123: 

 

Sadly, the logical fallacy you are committing appears to be washing well over your head. 

 

 

 

You appear to have the mental capacity to copy and paste. Allow me to congratulate you. Can I however, humbly suggest when quoting linguistical masterpieces, as above, that you reference the source so as to give due recognition to the original author.

 

 

Heard of Google?

 


In respect to your statistic of a combined 54%, you couldn't be more accurate. Then again it's only adding three numbers so it's not hard. However, you are making the bold assumption of a replay of the same coalition negotiations and then the formation of the same government. It is possible, and I'm not saying that it wouldn't happen. But in understanding MMP, which you claim to, you must acknowledge that a vote for another party doesn't automatically equate to a vote for labour. Whilst it may be likely that the same government is formed, to assume is naive.

Also, in this poll, the support parties are sitting just above 5%, should labour steal a % point or two from them, the total figure would remain at 54% but the actual result would be totally different if that played out in an election. So while the total combined figure is interesting, to hold it as the single number of relevance would show a lack of thought.

 

This being your opinion of course and as this debate indicates, I hold a different opinion without the need to disparage the person holding a different opinion to mine.

 

IOW Play the ball, not the man.

 

And before you ask, google will tell you the author of that quote as well... 


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  # 1998716 18-Apr-2018 16:08
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I am sorry you think I am being intimidating, that wasn't in any way the intention.

 

 

I just want to make sure there is no misunderstanding. On that note I am prepared to agree to 3k houses under Kiwibuild by 31/12/18, but only as a total. Just because this guy said what he did doesn't mean we should fixate on his breakdown. It doesn't matter who does how much, just that the total adds up. So ... 3k Kiwibuild by the end of the year, regardless of who does it?

 

 





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Are we talking new houses or affordable new houses? If it is affordable new houses what defines that?

 

On aside JA came down hard today on Russia...finally after our allies convinced her. 


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  # 1998766 18-Apr-2018 16:45
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Are we talking new houses or affordable new houses? If it is affordable new houses what defines that?


On aside JA came down hard today on Russia...finally after our allies convinced her. 



The PM made no mistake, we should not follow others to simply follow but make up our own minds at our pace. We should not jump just because London or Washington bids it.




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  # 1998785 18-Apr-2018 17:12
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Pumpedd:

 

Are we talking new houses or affordable new houses? If it is affordable new houses what defines that?

 

 

Good question. I am happy to accept any reasonable definition. I don't think there is much point in quibbling over excessive detail. 

 

 





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# 1998787 18-Apr-2018 17:15
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Let me fix the errors you have made...

 

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General
- Farce over speaker selection
- Secret Coalition Document
- Significant lack of transparency despite promises  (Eg. Unitec land buy price)

 

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National didn't hold to the traditions of appointing a speaker...

 

Only secret if you cant find it...

 

The supposed lack of transparency is in you opinion.

 

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Labour
- Young Labour Camp debacle

 

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Handled appropriately, and far better than John Keys totally inappropriate waitress pony tail pulling was when the excuse was 'he was just having *fun.* 

 

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- Deputy Leader (Kelvin Davis) shown to be completely out of depth

 

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Again in your opinion.

 

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Ardern
- Insulted Trump
- Insulted Aussies
- Insulted Indonesian PM
- Failed to show leadership on Sex Scandal or RNZ Scandal

 

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Once again in your opinion.

 

IMO she has shown good leadership. As for 'insulting' world leaders and our cousins across the ditch I think you're wandering into the realms of fantasy...

 

And as everyone insults Trump, why shouldn't she join in? 

 

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Curran
- Mislead over RNZ meetings
- Inappropriate phone call to RNZ Executive

 

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Handled and dealt with appropriately. Shouldn't have happened...

 

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Twyford
- Failure to understand Letting Fee abolition impacts
- Accused of "Pulling kiwibuild numbers out of his a**" and admitted it
- Thinks he can build 4000 houses on 70sq.m each

 

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Yet again, an opinionated view...

 

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NZ First
- Use of Regional Fund to blackmail Opposition MPs to silence criticism

 

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Only to the opinionated journalists that published an opinion that you apparently believe.

 

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 Peters
- Assertion no evidence of Russian airliner downing
- continuing FTA talks with Russia while the rest of the world is imposing sanctions
- Refusal to condemn Russian assasination on British soil

 

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In September 2016, an international team of criminal investigators said evidence showed the Buk missile had been brought in from Russian territory and was fired from a field controlled by pro-Russian fighters.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28357880

 

So it wasn't conclusively proved the Russians fired the missile.

 

The sanctions didn't ban FTA talks... 

 

Why condemn when the case in question hasn't been fully investigated and conclusive proof provided yet...

 

Again a lot of biased opinions posing as 'fact' on your part. It's getting be quite a pattern dont you think?

 

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Jones
- Directing AirNZ it breach the Companies Act
- Insulting AirNZ Board Members & CEO

 

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This morning Ardern said there was nothing inappropriate about Jones, who is not the share-holding minister for Air NZ, expressing his opinion.

 

"Ministers, particularly with a regional focus, will have an opinion. That doesn't mean we will have any ability or intent to take away the independent decision-making of a business like Air NZ.

He offered an opinion, not a directive. 

 

As to insulting the board members and CEO that again is just journalist opinions that you choose to believe. 

 

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Mark
- Extrordinary use of RNZAF for personal travel

 

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This was just an accusation of the political party (National) you support, and was nothing more than feeble political point scoring on their part. It's entirely appropriate for the Minister of Defence to use defence forces transport BTW.

 

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Greens
- Handing questions over to National

 

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And your problem with this is? At first I wasn't happy about it, but once I had seen their explanation, I dont see anything wrong with it. After all it is an MMP parliament.

 

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Genter
- Won't back away from shocking display of Agism, Sexism & Racism

 

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You got me on this one. I agree with you 100% about this. 

 

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...not a bad effort in the first 6 months.

 

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Only if we're expected to believe your biased opinions about the current government are facts....


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  # 1998797 18-Apr-2018 17:34
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Are we talking new houses or affordable new houses? If it is affordable new houses what defines that?



Good question. I am happy to accept any reasonable definition. I don't think there is much point in quibbling over excessive detail. 


 



And on that, is there a difference between a new home built by the private sector and a 'kiwibuild' home built by the private sector?

There were 28,000 new dwellings completed in the year ending March 2017, just for the record.

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  # 1998837 18-Apr-2018 18:44
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I don't know. Did Labour promise a certain number of homes or a certain number of kiwibuild homes. I wouldn't think it would make any difference. Homes are homes.

 

 





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