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#2003611 27-Apr-2018 15:43

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I would not give that poll much credence

Of course not. All polls reflecting badly on Jacinda and a labour are automatically to be discounted!
If the poll had shown support it would however, be considered correct in all regards!

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#2003615 27-Apr-2018 15:47

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MikeB4:

I would not give that poll much credence

Of course not. All polls reflecting badly on Jacinda and a labour are automatically to be discounted!
If the poll had shown support it would however, be considered correct in all regards!

That is not the reason I don't give it credence at all. It is not a scientific poll by any stretch.

Also look back through this thread I did not vote Labour or any of the coalition partners. I voted National and still support National

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#2003665 27-Apr-2018 16:51

networkn: 60% sit between awful and bad combined. Even trump is above 40 percent lol

Good for lols not a real poll.

The far more expensive and scientifically sampled One News CB poll gives a better picture.

It is still a popular government:

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#2004002 28-Apr-2018 11:52

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Believe it or not, there are people who get more enjoyment from watching a chess match or robot wars than rugby.

So what? I enjoy lots of different things. Music, Rugby, Squash and Sport in General, movies, tv. They are all valid.

Late to the party. To round this off, the issue is not who enjoys what. It is that rugby has an excessive and unjustified place in this society. If it was held in the same regard as music, squash, sport in general and movies and tv, it would just be another game, which is what it should be. As an aside, it would also be a lot cheaper to watch.

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#2004036 28-Apr-2018 12:01

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networkn:

Rikkitic:

Believe it or not, there are people who get more enjoyment from watching a chess match or robot wars than rugby.

So what? I enjoy lots of different things. Music, Rugby, Squash and Sport in General, movies, tv. They are all valid.

Late to the party. To round this off, the issue is not who enjoys what. It is that rugby has an excessive and unjustified place in this society. If it was held in the same regard as music, squash, sport in general and movies and tv, it would just be another game, which is what it should be. As an aside, it would also be a lot cheaper to watch.

You cannot say Rugby has an unjustified position in our society when it is our society that has given it it's position. Are you saying that the folks that like it don't know what they want and are wrong in liking rugby. Your statement comes of very arrogant and sanctimonious.

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#2004062 28-Apr-2018 13:25

If you want to see it that way go ahead. I prefer to think that we are all members of society and by having discussions like this we all contribute to making that society better.

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#2004068 28-Apr-2018 13:33

MikeB4:
Rikkitic:
networkn:

Rikkitic:

Believe it or not, there are people who get more enjoyment from watching a chess match or robot wars than rugby.

So what? I enjoy lots of different things. Music, Rugby, Squash and Sport in General, movies, tv. They are all valid.

Late to the party. To round this off, the issue is not who enjoys what. It is that rugby has an excessive and unjustified place in this society. If it was held in the same regard as music, squash, sport in general and movies and tv, it would just be another game, which is what it should be. As an aside, it would also be a lot cheaper to watch.

You cannot say Rugby has an unjustified position in our society when it is our society that has given it it's position. Are you saying that the folks that like it don't know what they want and are wrong in liking rugby. Your statement comes of very arrogant and sanctimonious.

The level of attention we give rugby, as a game, is ok. It's position in society, as a group of male role-models is not ok.

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#2004109 28-Apr-2018 14:27

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The level of attention we give rugby, as a game, is ok. It's position in society, as a group of male role-models is not ok.

Why?

Are you saying Tana Umuga, Richie McCaw, Michael Jones and John Kirwan are not good role models?

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#2004131 28-Apr-2018 15:03

These people are role models because of who they are, not because they chase a ball around a field. What does rugby have to do with it? Do you not think a scientist researching life-saving new antibiotic treatments, or an inspirational teacher, or a volunteer helping feed the needy can be role models?

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#2004134 28-Apr-2018 15:09

Rikkitic:

These people are role models because of who they are, not because they chase a ball around a field. What does rugby have to do with it? Do you not think a scientist researching life-saving new antibiotic treatments, or an inspirational teacher, or a volunteer helping feed the needy can be role models?

You raised the whole issue.

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#2004138 28-Apr-2018 15:26

Don't think so. I was responding to earlier posts. Coincidentally, I am just reading a Saturday column about the destructive pressure to win that is increasingly being placed on young people who participate in competitive sport. Not only rugby, though that is presumably a major one.

How about some good losers as role models? That certainly wouldn't hurt, though someone might have to tell the Silver Ferns.

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#2004150 28-Apr-2018 15:44

Rikkitic:
These people are role models because of who they are, not because they chase a ball around a field. What does rugby have to do with it? Do you not think a scientist researching life-saving new antibiotic treatments, or an inspirational teacher, or a volunteer helping feed the needy can be role models?

Yeah basically what Rikkitic said. Also they're a handful out of hundreds. And then one of them says something stupid and suddenly the whole world turns their back on them... As much as I know about them in my opinion they're good people, but they're only human and they're only rugby players.

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#2004652 29-Apr-2018 18:38

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12041822

Another *massive* broken promise (though for reasons I clearly outlined before, I am against it in it's current form as it's a massive dump all over already overworked GP Practices).

This Government doesn't have a *clue*!

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#2004659 29-Apr-2018 18:47

Rikkitic:

These people are role models because of who they are, not because they chase a ball around a field. What does rugby have to do with it? Do you not think a scientist researching life-saving new antibiotic treatments, or an inspirational teacher, or a volunteer helping feed the needy can be role models?

Your irrational hatred of Rugby is clouding your judgment. These sportsmen and women inspire our current generation to push beyond their barriers, on and off the field to reach greatness. I don't think Rugby is over-represented in NZ. It's something lots of people love. That's the perfect reason for something to be represented at all. Rugby is interesting and enjoyable for people to watch, and the results are tangible. Science and the Arts, whilst important, are often less visible due to the nature of it. The process isn't particularly interesting, to most, just the result.

Do you disavow Sir Edmund Hillary? His crowning achievement was climbing a mountain. His lesser known feats were philanthropy.

The consistency of those players performances week after week, month after month, year after year, it's no less impressive than anything else.

Lots of role models in NZ don't chase a ball, doesn't make them anymore or less spectacular. Probably makes them less interesting to the average Joe. If you are rallying against that, well Good luck.

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#2004670 29-Apr-2018 19:03

networkn:

Your irrational hatred of Rugby is clouding your judgment.

Again, making things up. Where did I ever say I hate rugby? C'mon, show me the quote.

I really wish you would quit doing that. It is annoying.

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