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#2005375 30-Apr-2018 18:26

Rikkitic:

I am tired of this carousel so I am getting off. Have fun telling your audience of four how terrible this government is. You have turned this into a right wing echo chamber and I am tired of hearing the same moan over and over. Goodbye.

Again?

Why get off? You were doing reasonably well, ...... well in some peoples eyes. Labour needs vocal supporters now more than ever.

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#2005378 30-Apr-2018 18:28

DaveB:

Rikkitic:

I am tired of this carousel so I am getting off. Have fun telling your audience of four how terrible this government is. You have turned this into a right wing echo chamber and I am tired of hearing the same moan over and over. Goodbye.

Again?

Why get off? You were doing reasonably well, ...... well in some peoples eyes. Labour needs vocal supporters now more than ever.

No, like any Government, they need to do what they promised and be held to account if they don't.

The problem is, for many people, the word most used to describe Labour is "hope". We "hope" they can improve the situation, we "hope" they get their act together. I am not kidding. It's what I hear the most.

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#2005381 30-Apr-2018 18:33

networkn:
JA and Labour have a chance to do something worthwhile and show some teeth right now.

This leaked BP email showing the tactics they use to drive up prices, should give JA everything she needs to take action. Will she? I seriously doubt it, but it would be something if she did.

I'm sure Shane 'Protector of the Provinces' Jones will be all over it immediately.

And I'm not sure how Twyford managed to keep a straight face by claiming the average Auckland family would only be impacted by an additional $250/year. Maybe if they only have one car! He forgot the amount the cost of fuel adds to everything else as well.
I would love to know who the councilors that voted against the regional tax were. They'll get my vote next time.

And Goff crying foul over people block voting in a poll, when that is how both he and Loser Len got into office. Spare me!

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#2005408 30-Apr-2018 19:26

Starting to think that some Ministers have been told to drag their feet on some projects seeing money is getting tight. (Just seen Jacinda having to explain that doctor visits reduced price will be phased in gradually.)

I know I have been boring everyone with my Metro Sports Facility thread but I wonder if Megan Woods has been told it's a lot cheaper to (slowly) draw up plans on paper & computer than actually start pouring concrete?

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#2005409 30-Apr-2018 19:30

networkn:

DaveB:

Rikkitic:

I am tired of this carousel so I am getting off. Have fun telling your audience of four how terrible this government is. You have turned this into a right wing echo chamber and I am tired of hearing the same moan over and over. Goodbye.

Again?

Why get off? You were doing reasonably well, ...... well in some peoples eyes. Labour needs vocal supporters now more than ever.

No, like any Government, they need to do what they promised and be held to account if they don't.

The problem is, for many people, the word most used to describe Labour is "hope". We "hope" they can improve the situation, we "hope" they get their act together. I am not kidding. It's what I hear the most.

I agree and that word or desire "hope" is so clearly shown in Rikkitics posts.

Being old school - although I may understand why some feel the need for hope, I don't feel that need. If I cannot live the way I want to, I do something about it myself. I am my own destiny. I only have myself to blame if I do not make it through this world.

The problem is trying to understand why so many people continue to rely on "hope", regardless of which political party is currently in or was in power.

A very vocal, committed Labour supporter and activist once said to me "Dave, you can only hold hands and provide guidance so long. If they don't rise when the opportunities are there, you have to move on and look forward to trying to do the same thing again".

I think that's Labour's overall problem. Too many supporters (not necessarily voters) who did not take advantage of the opportunities available to them when things were going their way and a party philosophy to continue support whilst also trying to do something for the younger generation who also need help. I guess we could call it the Labour Carousel.

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#2005545 30-Apr-2018 22:42

networkn:

JA and Labour have a chance to do something worthwhile and show some teeth right now.

This leaked BP email showing the tactics they use to drive up prices, should give JA everything she needs to take action. Will she? I seriously doubt it, but it would be something if she did.

She can't. As it would be hypocritical to complain about the effects of potentially higher petrol prices due to 1 company doing some pricing manoeuvres. While at the same time applying extra government petrol taxes, and passing a law giving Auckland council the right to pile on their own petrol taxes.

And there would be further risk that the oil companies might respond that the oil exploration ban has increased their cost of capital / reduced their return on investment / forced them to write down asset values etc. And as a result these increased costs are now getting passed on in the form of higher fuel prices.

Also the higher fuel prices will directly hurt lower income voters the most. Who are also more likely to be labour voters. Labour need to keep in mind the fate of the Maori party. As Maoris got fed up with voting them into power, yet nothing changed to improve their situation.

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#2005546 30-Apr-2018 22:43

networkn:

JA and Labour have a chance to do something worthwhile and show some teeth right now.

This leaked BP email showing the tactics they use to drive up prices, should give JA everything she needs to take action. Will she? I seriously doubt it, but it would be something if she did.

Please..she shows plenty of teeth already...no more!!

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#2005554 30-Apr-2018 23:08

DaveB:
networkn:

DaveB:

Rikkitic:

I am tired of this carousel so I am getting off. Have fun telling your audience of four how terrible this government is. You have turned this into a right wing echo chamber and I am tired of hearing the same moan over and over. Goodbye.

Again?

Why get off? You were doing reasonably well, ...... well in some peoples eyes. Labour needs vocal supporters now more than ever.

No, like any Government, they need to do what they promised and be held to account if they don't.

The problem is, for many people, the word most used to describe Labour is "hope". We "hope" they can improve the situation, we "hope" they get their act together. I am not kidding. It's what I hear the most.

I agree and that word or desire "hope" is so clearly shown in Rikkitics posts.

Being old school - although I may understand why some feel the need for hope, I don't feel that need. If I cannot live the way I want to, I do something about it myself. I am my own destiny. I only have myself to blame if I do not make it through this world.

The problem is trying to understand why so many people continue to rely on "hope", regardless of which political party is currently in or was in power.

A very vocal, committed Labour supporter and activist once said to me "Dave, you can only hold hands and provide guidance so long. If they don't rise when the opportunities are there, you have to move on and look forward to trying to do the same thing again".

I think that's Labour's overall problem. Too many supporters (not necessarily voters) who did not take advantage of the opportunities available to them when things were going their way and a party philosophy to continue support whilst also trying to do something for the younger generation who also need help. I guess we could call it the Labour Carousel.

I agree. For a country that prides itself on a reputation of Number 8 wire, early settler, hard yards kind of narrative, there really are a surprising number of people whose answer to every problem seems to be “the government should do it” or “the government caused it”.

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#2005573 1-May-2018 06:27

Aredwood:

She can't. As it would be hypocritical to complain about the effects of potentially higher petrol prices due to 1 company doing some pricing manoeuvres.

It's also the exact same pricing tactic used by other retailers such as supermarkets. Will she also interject the government in that matter too?

Geektastic:

I agree. For a country that prides itself on a reputation of Number 8 wire, early settler, hard yards kind of narrative, there really are a surprising number of people whose answer to every problem seems to be “the government should do it” or “the government caused it”.

Along with "punching about our weight", a narrative that I'm not sure is altogether true representation of the facts.

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#2005574 1-May-2018 06:32

Government announces further tax for Kiwis buying low-value goods online

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12042435

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#2005575 1-May-2018 06:46

Same tax. GST. Overseas purchases under $400. They have some plan to get it instead of not bothering. I'm not sure what that is, asking Amazon etc probably.

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#2005581 1-May-2018 07:13

Oh no, now overseas goods are only half as cheap as local retailers after shipping, instead of a third. I'm 100% sure this will turn the tide.

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#2005646 1-May-2018 09:15

GV27:

Oh no, now overseas goods are only half as cheap as local retailers after shipping, instead of a third. I'm 100% sure this will turn the tide.

NZ Post will want their bit too...just wait and see.

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#2005653 1-May-2018 09:24

wsnz:

Government announces further tax for Kiwis buying low-value goods online

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12042435

I don't have a problem with this. In essence, GST is a consumption tax that's charged on goods and services that are used within New Zealand. If you import goods for use in NZ then under those rules you should pay GST.

Looking at the bigger picture. The government needs to secure income in order to spend. Online/overseas purchases are eroding that income stream and they either need to enforce the current rules, increase taxes or create new taxes to increase income - or they need to decrease spending (how that money gets spent is not part of this argument). That's one part of the equation.

The other part of the equation is that local businesses need to be able to compete - it isn't fair that they have to charge GST where others don't. It'll still likely be cheaper to purchase online, and that's where retailers need to come to the market. We should, of course, remember that the NZ based retailers are also NZ based employers - they're employing Kiwi's, and that's worth something to us as a collective nation.

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#2005665 1-May-2018 09:39

I can't make this any more simple:

Was is there before the election? No. Is it here now? Yes. Then it's a NEW tax.

End of Story.

Everything else is just word games and Semantics. Doesn't matter if National was also going to do it, they didn't campaign on no new taxes. Doesn't matter if it's making the system fairer, that just means you may or may not resent it as well. It's still money that wasn't being collected before.

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