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  # 2021884 24-May-2018 15:07
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The best things we could do to effect some form of meaningful climate trade, is add our weight to any penalties applied to countries who are the biggest perpetrators, by not buying their products, not trading with them. The problem with things like that, is everyone likes their iphones way too much! Also our trade amounts to only a rounding error too, but "we have to start somewhere".

 

 

 

 

That pretty much sums it up. To make a distinct difference would require the whole world to make a huge shift in lifestyle, but we're not prepared to do that, because despite any imminent doom (real or imagined) we do like our current lifestyle (think phones, electronics, travel.... and all things un-green). 

 

So why don't we legislate to change all that? Because a government wants to be re-elected. 

 

So why would a government that cares for the people enough to save them from extinction NOT be relected? well obviously the MAJORITY of the population doesn't care, or that government would be re-elected, unquestionably.

 

So despite an army sjw's trying their best to effect meaningful change, unfortunately it would seem that the majority of the people aren't actually interested in change. 

 

 

 

 

Thankyou for restating my belief that the opposition and denial being displayed in this thread is motivated by selfishness and avarice. It also explains why when ever some dares say we should change, or state a environmentally friendly notion they are ridiculed and insulted. I further illustrates the belief that because of a perceived majority of the population does not care that somehow legitimises the denial and refutes the notion of climate change. 





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rjt123:

 

networkn:

 

The best things we could do to effect some form of meaningful climate trade, is add our weight to any penalties applied to countries who are the biggest perpetrators, by not buying their products, not trading with them. The problem with things like that, is everyone likes their iphones way too much! Also our trade amounts to only a rounding error too, but "we have to start somewhere".

 

 

 

 

That pretty much sums it up. To make a distinct difference would require the whole world to make a huge shift in lifestyle, but we're not prepared to do that, because despite any imminent doom (real or imagined) we do like our current lifestyle (think phones, electronics, travel.... and all things un-green). 

 

So why don't we legislate to change all that? Because a government wants to be re-elected. 

 

So why would a government that cares for the people enough to save them from extinction NOT be relected? well obviously the MAJORITY of the population doesn't care, or that government would be re-elected, unquestionably.

 

So despite an army sjw's trying their best to effect meaningful change, unfortunately it would seem that the majority of the people aren't actually interested in change. 

 

 

Change doesnt mean phones, electronics, travel etc. We add carbon as does the fauna community, as does volcanoes, wildfires, all natural things. Its just about curbing what we can realistically control. But you are right, its apathy and money. Thats why many are VERY interested on climate change but VERY uninterested as it might impact them. The political side is the same, its about money and votes


 
 
 
 


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  # 2021893 24-May-2018 15:24
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rjt123:

 

networkn:

 

The best things we could do to effect some form of meaningful climate trade, is add our weight to any penalties applied to countries who are the biggest perpetrators, by not buying their products, not trading with them. The problem with things like that, is everyone likes their iphones way too much! Also our trade amounts to only a rounding error too, but "we have to start somewhere".

 

 

 

 

That pretty much sums it up. To make a distinct difference would require the whole world to make a huge shift in lifestyle, but we're not prepared to do that, because despite any imminent doom (real or imagined) we do like our current lifestyle (think phones, electronics, travel.... and all things un-green). 

 

So why don't we legislate to change all that? Because a government wants to be re-elected. 

 

So why would a government that cares for the people enough to save them from extinction NOT be relected? well obviously the MAJORITY of the population doesn't care, or that government would be re-elected, unquestionably.

 

So despite an army sjw's trying their best to effect meaningful change, unfortunately it would seem that the majority of the people aren't actually interested in change. 

 

 

 

 

Thankyou for restating my belief that the opposition and denial being displayed in this thread is motivated by selfishness and avarice. It also explains why when ever some dares say we should change, or state a environmentally friendly notion they are ridiculed and insulted. I further illustrates the belief that because of a perceived majority of the population does not care that somehow legitimises the denial and refutes the notion of climate change. 

 

 

I kinda thought that I would get that kind of response, but that wasn't exactly what I was meaning, even though one could easily take it to mean that.

 

So I wasn't trying to deny climate change, I wasn't even suggesting that we should do nothing (depends on the paradigm/perspective you read it in) i was simply saying that despite glaring evidence, even the most ardent-sounding of governments (e.g. our current one) probably won't do anything. 

 

What i was also implying was that people interested in change are the minority. I'm not passing judgement on people who are (or aren't) prepared to change, but just pointing out an alternative perspective, even if that's not what you wanted to hear.


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  # 2021899 24-May-2018 15:30
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Change doesnt mean phones, electronics, travel etc. We add carbon as does the fauna community, as does volcanoes, wildfires, all natural things. Its just about curbing what we can realistically control. But you are right, its apathy and money. Thats why many are VERY interested on climate change but VERY uninterested as it might impact them. The political side is the same, its about money and votes

 

 

Exactly, that's what I was trying to get at. At the end of the days it's about money and votes. And because our lifestyle (phones, travel, fun...) all requires money we don't want to give that up, hence the party who takes it away (despite the virtue behind their policies) doesn't get the votes.

 

As said prior, humans are awesome. 


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MikeB4:

 

What is wrong with including alternative heating and cooling options in new builds including KiwiBuild to bring about long term savings and environmental positives?  It would seem the only acceptable change for you is the status quo!

 

 

And it seems like you're quite happy to project your sensibilities across the entire population, no matter what impact it has on other people - in this case, making housing even more affordable. Sorry if I find that unacceptable. 

 

But that's only evil when it's the Nats doing it, right? 


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  # 2021916 24-May-2018 16:09
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GV27:

 

MikeB4:

 

What is wrong with including alternative heating and cooling options in new builds including KiwiBuild to bring about long term savings and environmental positives?  It would seem the only acceptable change for you is the status quo!

 

 

And it seems like you're quite happy to project your sensibilities across the entire population, no matter what impact it has on other people - in this case, making housing even more affordable. Sorry if I find that unacceptable. 

 

But that's only evil when it's the Nats doing it, right? 

 

 

if you are going to make personal attacks against me without first full looking and considering what I suggested and include alternatives then I shall leave to your own amusement. Oh and for the record if you care to look back through this thread and others you will see that I am National Party supporter and voter. 





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  # 2021918 24-May-2018 16:12
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To assume makes and ASS of U and ME.

 

Please don't assume that a strong viewpoint you don't agree with is an "Attack" - just like this post isn't intended to be an attack against anyone... just saying.


 
 
 
 


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  # 2021941 24-May-2018 16:39
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MikeB4:

 

Make all the insults you desire it doesn't change a thing, I believe what is being said here is please don't take my toys away because I want to play with them and to hell with anyone else. We cannot demand sanctions against other nations if we are not prepared to make changes and sacrifices ourselves.

 

I think your obsession with Jacinda Ardern is clouding your vision. 

 

 

What insults? I think you are being over sensitive. There is no obsession, there is a desire for Labour to be held accountable for it's promises, which so far hasn't happened.  If you want to make it into an obsession in your mind, have at it. I am a very honest person, I do what I say I will. I expect others to do the same. It upsets me if they don't, and in my view Labour is so far short of this, in a business environment they would be facing a fraud investigation and their CEO would be forced from her Job. 

 

We contribute rounding errors worth of % to global warming. I *support* doing something about it. I don't believe going overboard is sensible, esp when it will achieve nothing compared to other countries. 

 

Of course, it's reasonable that we try and hold those who are actually able to do something meaningful accountable. If we don't, we will do everything possible we can, and still find ourselves on the end of an extinction level event.

 

Put it this way. If we throw all our money and effort into reducing our impact to zero, we are so much worse off than putting the same resources into ensuring the major contributors do their part and getting a reduction of 5 or 10%. 

 

There is no selfish or as you put it "throw my toys from my cot" motivation to my comments, simply cold hard logic.

 

 

 

For the record, this isn't even a National or Labour issue, it's a what's promised vs what's delivered discussion. 

 

 


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  # 2021971 24-May-2018 17:53
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MikeB4:

 

if you are going to make personal attacks against me without first full looking and considering what I suggested and include alternatives then I shall leave to your own amusement. Oh and for the record if you care to look back through this thread and others you will see that I am National Party supporter and voter. 

 

 

@Mikeb4 I apologise, this was a general criticism of people who urge radical action on climate change and I should have made it clearer that it was not aimed at you specifically. I should have been more precise with my wording. 


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rjt123:

 

tdgeek:

 

 

 

Change doesnt mean phones, electronics, travel etc. We add carbon as does the fauna community, as does volcanoes, wildfires, all natural things. Its just about curbing what we can realistically control. But you are right, its apathy and money. Thats why many are VERY interested on climate change but VERY uninterested as it might impact them. The political side is the same, its about money and votes

 

 

Exactly, that's what I was trying to get at. At the end of the days it's about money and votes. And because our lifestyle (phones, travel, fun...) all requires money we don't want to give that up, hence the party who takes it away (despite the virtue behind their policies) doesn't get the votes.

 

As said prior, humans are awesome. 

 

 

What it needs is someone to be a man. Now, another, on another thread who is committed to climate change was called an evangelist. WTF. It just goes to show me that humans are useless. We have humans who yak about transforming Mars, yet we cant or wont look after our own house. Its a pity we all wont live to 300 years old, the thread then would in fact be awesome.


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MikeB4:

 

GV27:

 

MikeB4:

 

What is wrong with including alternative heating and cooling options in new builds including KiwiBuild to bring about long term savings and environmental positives?  It would seem the only acceptable change for you is the status quo!

 

 

And it seems like you're quite happy to project your sensibilities across the entire population, no matter what impact it has on other people - in this case, making housing even more affordable. Sorry if I find that unacceptable. 

 

But that's only evil when it's the Nats doing it, right? 

 

 

if you are going to make personal attacks against me without first full looking and considering what I suggested and include alternatives then I shall leave to your own amusement. Oh and for the record if you care to look back through this thread and others you will see that I am National Party supporter and voter. 

 

 

I verify that. I am also a long time National voter, except once was Labour and once was Greens. Last time I was Labour, and up to the voting place it was going to be Winston/Winston, only to get another voice. As to these threads, my last vote does not colour my posts, but others????  There are threads here that arecabiut a topic but in fact arent they are about resentment and bias. End of the day, NZ cannot afford everything


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MikeB4:

 

GV27:

 

MikeB4:

 

What is wrong with including alternative heating and cooling options in new builds including KiwiBuild to bring about long term savings and environmental positives?  It would seem the only acceptable change for you is the status quo!

 

 

And it seems like you're quite happy to project your sensibilities across the entire population, no matter what impact it has on other people - in this case, making housing even more affordable. Sorry if I find that unacceptable. 

 

But that's only evil when it's the Nats doing it, right? 

 

 

if you are going to make personal attacks against me without first full looking and considering what I suggested and include alternatives then I shall leave to your own amusement. Oh and for the record if you care to look back through this thread and others you will see that I am National Party supporter and voter. 

 

 

And I am sick and tired of this amongst adults here.

 

Sorry Mike, taking over your post.

 

If you lot want to debate, then debate

 

Debate 101. Hi, I believe this, this is why. Hi, I dont believe in that here is why.

 

OR. I dont believe that, you must be an idiot, throw 2 insults and putdowns, but dont offer any supporting info.

 

If you cannot debate like an adult, just dont


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I verify that. I am also a long time National voter, except once was Labour and once was Greens. Last time I was Labour, and up to the voting place it was going to be Winston/Winston, only to get another voice. As to these threads, my last vote does not colour my posts, but others????  There are threads here that arecabiut a topic but in fact arent they are about resentment and bias. End of the day, NZ cannot afford everything

 

 

I'm sorry what!? Yes it does! Confirmation bias is still bias. 

 

It's been 7+ months now, I am kind of curious what YOUR report card for Labour the and coalition is? 

 

About the PM, what grade does she get in your "unbiased" view?

 

 

 

 


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Minister Phil Twyford apologises for Civil Aviation breach

 

Transport Minister Phil Twyford says he offered his resignation to the prime minister for making a phone call on a domestic flight after the aircraft doors had shut in preparation for take off.

 

While Jacinda Ardern declined Twyford's resignation, she has chosen to transfer his responsibilities for the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) to associate Transport Minister Julie Anne Genter.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104196693/minister-phil-twyford-apologies-for-civil-aviation-breach

 

 

 

Not a good look and yes, he definitely knew better.


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Expect a slap with a wet bus ticket. 


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