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  # 2031719 7-Jun-2018 21:02
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there seems to be confusion between socialism and communism





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  # 2031721 7-Jun-2018 21:05
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there seems to be confusion between socialism and communism



All boiled down, in practice there's not much difference. Not if you're talking about true socialism.

 
 
 
 


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  # 2031725 7-Jun-2018 21:17
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there seems to be confusion between socialism and communism

 

 

They are both terrible economic systems. While their main goals are similar (focus is on equility which sounds nice and fluffy), government, not citizens owns and operates the means for production and owns everything. The real difference between the two is that workers get paid under socialism while under communism they given what they need to do the work and survive. Both systems leave very little room for motivation and to do more than the very minimum required. Under true socialism everyone would get paid the same amount.

 

 


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  # 2031738 7-Jun-2018 21:37
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there seems to be confusion between socialism and communism

 

 

 

 

They are easily confused, as you will find out when you are allocated to New Tauranga Tractor Factory One.






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MikeB4:

 

food for thought, one of the medications I take every fortnight without subsidy would cost me $3,900 per injection or over $100,000 per annum. One of my specialists would cost over $300 per month.

 

 

 

 

Indeed. However if there was no nationalised health you would probably have insured privately, as my brother had in the US when he had $100,000 worth of neuro surgery to remove a brain growth of some kind.

 

There is no difference really except who you pay the money to and (usually) the service you get because the hospitals and insurers have to compete for clients, unlike national health systems - I could not even get a private room in a NZ hospital when I wanted one.






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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12066447

 

Ouch!

 

Ardern and Co ignored the advice they got, and didn't get additional advice when it was indicated because it didn't support the ban on oil and gas exploration.


 
 
 
 


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I see the "foreigners are buying all our houses" thing has turned out to be a very damp squib.

 

 

 

Apparently 3% is the average number. Parker desperate to claim that 19% in the part of Auckland which contains the CBD and Waiheke Island (neither of which will ever be first time buyer territory) wholly justifies the ludicrous ban he's trying to engineer. Talk about using a hammer to crack a walnut.






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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104542844/mps-consider-recalling-kelvin-davis-to-select-committee-over-vacant-answers

 

I do wonder how much of our resident Labour supporters think highly of Kelvin Davis? Every time I see him interact, I wonder how he ties his shoelaces without help. 

 

 


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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104542844/mps-consider-recalling-kelvin-davis-to-select-committee-over-vacant-answers

 

I do wonder how much of our resident Labour supporters think highly of Kelvin Davis? Every time I see him interact, I wonder how he ties his shoelaces without help. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes; he just sounds like someone who left school with no qualifications and managed to get the job he has because his Dad owned the company!






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Kelvin Davis was a teacher, Principal before entering politics, I am sure knockers and smug pack will have lots of negatives about that too.




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MikeB4:


there seems to be confusion between socialism and communism



They are both terrible economic systems. While their main goals are similar (focus is on equility which sounds nice and fluffy), government, not citizens owns and operates the means for production and owns everything. The real difference between the two is that workers get paid under socialism while under communism they given what they need to do the work and survive. Both systems leave very little room for motivation and to do more than the very minimum required. Under true socialism everyone would get paid the same amount.


 



Do some research and look at the nation's that have systems based on socialism.




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MikeB4: Kelvin Davis was a teacher, Principal before entering politics, I am sure knockers and smug pack will have lots of negatives about that too.

 

I wouldnt knock someone for their past job. I only concentrate on their competence in their current role and this guy has screwed up since first becoming Government.


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MikeB4: Kelvin Davis was a teacher, Principal before entering politics, I am sure knockers and smug pack will have lots of negatives about that too.

 

I wouldnt knock someone for their past job. I only concentrate on their competence in their current role and this guy has screwed up since first becoming Government.

 

 

You forget his greatest achievement, he knocked Hone Harawira out of the Beehive.





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MikeB4:
Wiggum:

 

MikeB4:

 

there seems to be confusion between socialism and communism

 

 

They are both terrible economic systems. While their main goals are similar (focus is on equility which sounds nice and fluffy), government, not citizens owns and operates the means for production and owns everything. The real difference between the two is that workers get paid under socialism while under communism they given what they need to do the work and survive. Both systems leave very little room for motivation and to do more than the very minimum required. Under true socialism everyone would get paid the same amount.

 



Do some research and look at the nation's that have systems based on socialism.

 

I think we going around in circles here.

 

Lets first define and all be clear as to what socialism actually is, it means government controlling the means of our production (no more free market). In a Socialist New Zealand that would be government control of our farming/agriculture/forestry/tourism/manufacturing industries.

 

Socialism is not social welfare, or how good our welfare systems are. I'm sure we can all agree we need social welfare.

 

What is a free market? it means the free exchange of goods or services where prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses. Its a market where few restrictions are placed on business activities and ownership (very little government intervention).

 

Free market is not exploitation. It is not government control over our goods and services. it is not adding restrictions on private business activities and ownership.

 

Now in the history on the human race, what system has produced the greatest benefit to the most people? Capitalism or Socialism? Which system allows for the largest number of people to pull themselves out of poverty?

 

So now if we can all agree on what socialism is (nothing to do with our welfare), lets have a look at some of the socialist countries that have failed horribly. Soviet Union, Fascist Italy, Franco’s Spain, Angola, Zimbabwe, Cuba and Venezuela (There is another one but I will not mention as it will breach the FUG)

 

Any government that has the power to control the means of production also has the power to fire up the heat. We should aim to avoid this at all costs.

 

Fortunately today there are very few countries based entirely on capitalism or socialism.

 

The best places to be are those countries that practice the best of both. If you want an example of a country slipping into deep socialism and trying to abolish capitalism completely (nationalizing everything) then just look at Venezuela. Its now a mess and IMO there are other countries on the verge of going the same way (South Africa where the government is trying to nationalize everything. lets see how well its doing in a few years from now).


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