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#1899435 11-Nov-2017 22:16

I am not sure the thread is anti Jacinda, but more anti Labour. They are running at the moment with an air of arrogance including several Ministers and the PM.

They are need to settle down a bit quicker and start working like a cohesive team. They desperately need some leadership and discipline.

Time will tell. If Jacinda can settle down and start speaking to all of NZ instead of a select few she could be one of the best PMs ever.

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#1899444 11-Nov-2017 23:21

Pumpedd:

I am not sure the thread is anti Jacinda, but more anti Labour. They are running at the moment with an air of arrogance including several Ministers and the PM.

They are need to settle down a bit quicker and start working like a cohesive team. They desperately need some leadership and discipline.

Time will tell. If Jacinda can settle down and start speaking to all of NZ instead of a select few she could be one of the best PMs ever.

She, and her coalition government already speak for 50.4% of us.

This thread is mostly from some of the 44% who still haven't realised the majority of New Zealanders wanted and got New Zealand changed from the 'I'm all right Jack, keep your hands off my stack' previous government.

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#1899574 12-Nov-2017 12:37

gzt:
PhantomNVD: In the vein of the Trump and Winston threads... where will Jacinda go with her tall poppy syndrome?

What is this talk poppy syndrome you speak of?

Wikipedia: The tall poppy syndrome describes aspects of a culture where people of high status are resented, attacked, cut down or criticised simply because they have been classified as superior to their peers. This is similar to begrudgery, the resentment or envy of the success of a peer.

I'm not aware of any instance where Ardern has expressed anything like this. It appears to me that this is an entirely silly proposition and nothing more. As the starting post for this topic it appears to have set the tone.

Directly addressed/supported/explained in the third post:

Geektastic: She's all fluff and no substance. A Labour government can't exist without stealing from the wealth creators to give to the economically unuseful.
She claims she won't before 2020 so she'll have nowt much to do.

Those who are successful are “automatically being targeted” to support those who are at/won’t?

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#1899758 12-Nov-2017 20:08

Pumpedd:

I am not sure the thread is anti Jacinda, but more anti Labour. They are running at the moment with an air of arrogance including several Ministers and the PM.

They are need to settle down a bit quicker and start working like a cohesive team. They desperately need some leadership and discipline.

Time will tell. If Jacinda can settle down and start speaking to all of NZ instead of a select few she could be one of the best PMs ever.

Ive not seen the arrogance or the need to settle down. APEC and TPPA have taken over the limelight pretty quick, once thats over we can get back to normal and see how it goes

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#1899759 12-Nov-2017 20:41

tdgeek:

Pumpedd:

I am not sure the thread is anti Jacinda, but more anti Labour. They are running at the moment with an air of arrogance including several Ministers and the PM.

They are need to settle down a bit quicker and start working like a cohesive team. They desperately need some leadership and discipline.

Time will tell. If Jacinda can settle down and start speaking to all of NZ instead of a select few she could be one of the best PMs ever.

Ive not seen the arrogance or the need to settle down. APEC and TPPA have taken over the limelight pretty quick, once thats over we can get back to normal and see how it goes

I don't understand why they voted for TPP when they all said in opposition they were against it and would can it if they became government. Jacinda is saying it is quite a different document, but the experts are saying it is basically the same with a few minor word changes. I call this arrogance.

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#1899791 12-Nov-2017 22:34

I believe two objections to the TPP were ISDS and IP laws - particularly when the USA was to be a partner. With the USA out, then who knows what? I'm not in NZ atm, scouring of NZ news sites doesn't seem to indicate the media are interested. The original TPPA would have given NZ a very small net gain from increased access to markets, offset by a loss on increased cost of pharmaceutical and medical devices due to increased patent duration. It would seem to be nuts if TPPA with no USA would include that increase to patents - as only the US wanted it. I bloody well hope that Labour won't betray NZ interests in the vain hope of giving way to US demands, when now the US will offer nothing at all in return.

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#1899798 12-Nov-2017 22:49

PhantomNVD:
gzt:
PhantomNVD: In the vein of the Trump and Winston threads... where will Jacinda go with her tall poppy syndrome?

What is this talk poppy syndrome you speak of?

Wikipedia: The tall poppy syndrome describes aspects of a culture where people of high status are resented, attacked, cut down or criticised simply because they have been classified as superior to their peers. This is similar to begrudgery, the resentment or envy of the success of a peer.

I'm not aware of any instance where Ardern has expressed anything like this. It appears to me that this is an entirely silly proposition and nothing more. As the starting post for this topic it appears to have set the tone.

Directly addressed/supported/explained in the third post:

Geektastic: She's all fluff and no substance. A Labour government can't exist without stealing from the wealth creators to give to the economically unuseful.
She claims she won't before 2020 so she'll have nowt much to do.

Those who are successful are “automatically being targeted” to support those who are at/won’t?

Once again you have failed to demonstrate that Ardern has said anything like this at all. It's completely unclear what specific policy Geektastic might be referring to if any, and how it supports your tall poppy assertion if at all. As for the quote marks you have used in your own comment, who exactly are you "quoting"?

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#1899799 12-Nov-2017 22:52

Pumpedd: I don't understand why they voted for TPP when they all said in opposition they were against it and would can it if they became government.

That is incorrect. They said they were in favour of it if certain conditions were met.

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#1899824 12-Nov-2017 23:00

Fred99: I believe two objections to the TPP were ISDS and IP laws - particularly when the USA was to be a partner. With the USA out, then who knows what? I'm not in NZ atm, scouring of NZ news sites doesn't seem to indicate the media are interested.

Both major channels this evening did long segments on the news covering TPP related events. At least one other current events show has also covered it. Short clips of discussion there were also used in the news item.

USA it's a good question. If they want in, what happens? They just sign or their name is no longer on it and they have to ask? It's a good question.

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#1899836 13-Nov-2017 00:58

MaxLV:

Pumpedd:

I am not sure the thread is anti Jacinda, but more anti Labour. They are running at the moment with an air of arrogance including several Ministers and the PM.

They are need to settle down a bit quicker and start working like a cohesive team. They desperately need some leadership and discipline.

Time will tell. If Jacinda can settle down and start speaking to all of NZ instead of a select few she could be one of the best PMs ever.

She, and her coalition government already speak for 50.4% of us.

This thread is mostly from some of the 44% who still haven't realised the majority of New Zealanders wanted and got New Zealand changed from the 'I'm all right Jack, keep your hands off my stack' previous government.

To the "We'll steal your stack and give it to those who have not earned it" government, I presume.

It's also a long bow to draw to claim that she speaks for 54% of the population. She doesn't. There is no evidence that a person who voted NZF wanted her or her party as PM etc, or that one who voted Green did.

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#1899882 13-Nov-2017 06:44

Fred99: I believe two objections to the TPP were ISDS and IP laws - particularly when the USA was to be a partner. With the USA out, then who knows what? I'm not in NZ atm, scouring of NZ news sites doesn't seem to indicate the media are interested. The original TPPA would have given NZ a very small net gain from increased access to markets, offset by a loss on increased cost of pharmaceutical and medical devices due to increased patent duration. It would seem to be nuts if TPPA with no USA would include that increase to patents - as only the US wanted it. I bloody well hope that Labour won't betray NZ interests in the vain hope of giving way to US demands, when now the US will offer nothing at all in return.

From what I gather, she said it was a dog, and so far she has picked up the required concessions

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#1899883 13-Nov-2017 06:47

Geektastic:

MaxLV:

Pumpedd:

I am not sure the thread is anti Jacinda, but more anti Labour. They are running at the moment with an air of arrogance including several Ministers and the PM.

They are need to settle down a bit quicker and start working like a cohesive team. They desperately need some leadership and discipline.

Time will tell. If Jacinda can settle down and start speaking to all of NZ instead of a select few she could be one of the best PMs ever.

She, and her coalition government already speak for 50.4% of us.

This thread is mostly from some of the 44% who still haven't realised the majority of New Zealanders wanted and got New Zealand changed from the 'I'm all right Jack, keep your hands off my stack' previous government.

To the "We'll steal your stack and give it to those who have not earned it" government, I presume.

It's also a long bow to draw to claim that she speaks for 54% of the population. She doesn't. There is no evidence that a person who voted NZF wanted her or her party as PM etc, or that one who voted Green did.

Actually, an article in weekend said that of the NZF party voters, a slight majority voted Labour

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#1899927 13-Nov-2017 07:29

Geektastic: It's also a long bow to draw to claim that she speaks for 54% of the population. She doesn't. There is no evidence that a person who voted NZF wanted her or her party as PM etc, or that one who voted Green did.

The evidence for green is clear enough. They could not have been more clear about going with Labour, long prior to the election.

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#1899985 13-Nov-2017 08:54

Pumpedd:

networkn:

Barry Soper must be in love with the PM the way he carries on about her in his "editorials". Zero balance whatsoever.

His wife seems to be as well.

Nah. It seems that his wife was just late getting the memo...

Red faces all around for Labour

After a couple of moments of questionable truthfulness over the last week, the new mob are starting to look a lot more like the last lot, where truthfulness wasn't a high priority.

But what is surprising is that instead of opting for a plausible half truth, they threw themselves headfirst into a story no one would believe. That's either amateur or arrogant.

...The trouble for this lot is that two weeks into a three-year term is very early to have us questioning their honesty.

Thank goodness we now have the TPP as a distraction. :-)

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#1900162 13-Nov-2017 12:17

I wish she would stop using the word "absolutely" so freaking often.

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