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  #2085593 7-Sep-2018 12:43
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From the link I provided:

Ardern said in a radio interview with Newstalk ZB's Chris Lynch recorded at 8am this morning that Curran's job was safe.

But it has now emerged the errant minister told Ardern last night that she would quit - and Ardern accepted her resignation.

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  #2085601 7-Sep-2018 12:51
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Reciprocity: @tdgeek

From the link I provided:

Ardern said in a radio interview with Newstalk ZB's Chris Lynch recorded at 8am this morning that Curran's job was safe.

But it has now emerged the errant minister told Ardern last night that she would quit - and Ardern accepted her resignation.

 

Cheers. So safe from what? Clearly its not safe from her portfolio, so that was not what the statement meant, I assume safe from being removed as an MP?

 

I say remove her as an MP and have a by election, you can't keep people like her


 
 
 
 


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  #2085608 7-Sep-2018 13:23
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Reciprocity: @tdgeek

From the link I provided:

Ardern said in a radio interview with Newstalk ZB's Chris Lynch recorded at 8am this morning that Curran's job was safe.

But it has now emerged the errant minister told Ardern last night that she would quit - and Ardern accepted her resignation.

 

Cheers. So safe from what? Clearly its not safe from her portfolio, so that was not what the statement meant, I assume safe from being removed as an MP?

 

I say remove her as an MP and have a by election, you can't keep people like her

 

 

 

 

She would have to resign from Parliament. I dont think she needs to do that. 





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  #2085609 7-Sep-2018 13:25
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The PM has handled this badly, it reflects poorly on her management skills which is a key task for the PM.





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  #2085612 7-Sep-2018 13:31
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MikeB4:

 

The PM has handled this badly, it reflects poorly on her management skills which is a key task for the PM.

 

 

I agree. But not handling a stupid MP well, falls well behind matters of running the country. Things are getting done, for a change. Things like ponytall gate, Banksy's tea party gate, this Curran issue, are all unfortunate sideshows, but that's all they are


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  #2085635 7-Sep-2018 13:42
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tdgeek:

 

MikeB4:

 

The PM has handled this badly, it reflects poorly on her management skills which is a key task for the PM.

 

 

I agree. But not handling a stupid MP well, falls well behind matters of running the country. Things are getting done, for a change. Things like ponytall gate, Banksy's tea party gate, this Curran issue, are all unfortunate sideshows, but that's all they are

 

 

 

 

If a PM cannot manage the Cabinet effectively it does not give confidence in their ability to run the Nation. 





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  #2085637 7-Sep-2018 13:48
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tdgeek:

 

Reciprocity: There are audio links to the Radio interview available, but it’s covered off here too
http://nzh.tw/12121097

Turns out Jacinda accepted her resignation last night, then came on the radio this morning to say her job was safe. WTF!?!?

 

Line re "then came on the radio this morning to say her job was safe"

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link to Radio Interview here:

 

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/under-pressure-minister-clare-curran-safe-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-says/

 

 

CL: Have you spoken to Clare Curran Yet?
JA: Yes I have
CL: About what?
JA: About the past couple of days.  Just abpout what's been going on for her.  As you'd expect.
CL: And what's your assessment of her, i guess, seemingly inability to answer simple questions over her email account in Parliament?
JA: Yeah, the thing that I want to make really clear, as I've done from the outset when I've been asked questions about that is that our Official Information Act applied to all our communication.  Gmail, TXT messages, WhatsApp, ah, it's not, it doesn't discriminate on those.  So anyone can ask any question around policy, papers, ministerial discussions, and it can apply across the board.  So the minister was asked questions about her Gmail account, and underneath all of that, the point that needs to be made is that it doesn't matter where business is undertaken by us, it's all covered. And that's really important.  The minister when she stood up, she paused.  She took some time to answer questions.  She had a bad day. Um..
CL: Sure, everyone has a bad day.  Why is she on personal leave then?
JA: She took some time out because she obviously feels under a huge amount of pressure and she took some time out.
CL: Ok.  Look, She's spent, what, over a thousand dollars on a chaufeur driven car in Australia, is that too much in your view?
JA: Yeah, When we utilise vehicles abroad, often we're not given an indication of cost or expense, the same thing obviously has happened in New Zealand.  Um, But, ultimately it does cost to do our jobs.  We try to constantly keep these costs down though, of course. All of my ministers are mindful that we are at the um whim of voters.  Voters have decided to put us there.  It's a priviledge, we need to be careful...
CL: Have you considered as Prime Minister, cutting ties with Clare Curran becasue she's becoming a liability to your government?
JA: Keep in mind, she didn't put a meeting in her diary, and she lost her position in cabinet over it
CL: Are you considering cutting ties with her though? Firing her?
JA: Ah, no.  Because I think she's paid her price.  I have huge expectations of my ministers, and those in the ministry, but I also accept that, from time to time, they will also have bad days. So, I have to keep in mind that we do want to make sure that we, ah, don't set the bar so high that we cant have a situation where you show a bit of human frailty and then lose your job over it.

 

 

Technically, she did not say "Job is safe" that was just the editorialised headline - but certainly (with the benefit of hindsight) that was quite a misleading interview.


 
 
 
 


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MikeB4:

 

tdgeek:

 

MikeB4:

 

The PM has handled this badly, it reflects poorly on her management skills which is a key task for the PM.

 

 

I agree. But not handling a stupid MP well, falls well behind matters of running the country. Things are getting done, for a change. Things like ponytall gate, Banksy's tea party gate, this Curran issue, are all unfortunate sideshows, but that's all they are

 

 

 

 

If a PM cannot manage the Cabinet effectively it does not give confidence in their ability to run the Nation. 

 

 

In that case she needs to step down as she by virtue of this issue cannot lead a nation


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  #2085649 7-Sep-2018 13:57
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6FIEND:

 

 

 

Technically, she did not say "Job is safe" that was just the editorialised headline - but certainly (with the benefit of hindsight) that was quite a misleading interview.

 

 

The more I see, the less of an issue I see. She didnt say her job was safe, and she didn't say she would fire her. Both correct. JA also knew CC was done and dusted, and she had to announce her "resignation" More of a timing issue than much else. Had CC been sent to the wilderness of the back benches a good while ago, that was the preferred outcome.

 

Note "lost her job because if it" It doesn't mean told to resign but we all know she was. Public sackings do not often happen.


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  #2085651 7-Sep-2018 13:59
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tdgeek:

 

MikeB4:

 

tdgeek:

 

MikeB4:

 

The PM has handled this badly, it reflects poorly on her management skills which is a key task for the PM.

 

 

I agree. But not handling a stupid MP well, falls well behind matters of running the country. Things are getting done, for a change. Things like ponytall gate, Banksy's tea party gate, this Curran issue, are all unfortunate sideshows, but that's all they are

 

 

 

 

If a PM cannot manage the Cabinet effectively it does not give confidence in their ability to run the Nation. 

 

 

In that case she needs to step down as she by virtue of this issue cannot lead a nation

 

 

Thats a quantum leap. What the PM has to do is lift her game. The interview this morning is either misleading, or she is out of touch as to what is happening. The SS Coalition is taking water and definately listing and it would appear that the Captain is not on the bridge.





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  #2085657 7-Sep-2018 14:08
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Actually, I think it is as bad as you first thought - anything else is just trying to dance on the head of a pin.

 

"lost her job because of it" was referring to the misleading of parliament about the Handley & Hirschfield meetings.

 

The key statements are:

 

"I think she's paid her price"  After just telling the audience  that the price was the Cabinet position that Curran lost, rather than her job as a Minister.

 

and

 

"we cant have a situation where you show a bit of human frailty and then lose your job over it."  After saying that Curran had simply had a bad day.  (And then withhold the fact that she in fact HAD lost her job over it.)

 

 

 

Of course, others will disagree :-)


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  #2085663 7-Sep-2018 14:11
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

Thats a quantum leap. What the PM has to do is lift her game. The interview this morning is either misleading, or she is out of touch as to what is happening. The SS Coalition is taking water and definately listing and it would appear that the Captain is not on the bridge.

 

 

What is preferred?

 

She was fired, plain and simple. Do we want 50 lashes in public, or the modern day public sacking? She was fired, as in told to resign. She did not say her job was safe, nor was she considering firing her. She could have told Newstalk, no comment, until CC resigned publically. Timing, and giving the ousted CC some semblance of dignity, unless a public sacking is what everyone would prefer as mentioned here. But if this instance with one MP also translates to lack of confidence in running the country, that's not a quantum leap, hardly when its also a sinking ship. All over one MP. Should we have a Clare Curran every 2 months then yes.


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Actually, I think it is as bad as you first thought - anything else is just trying to dance on the head of a pin.

 

"lost her job because of it" was referring to the misleading of parliament about the Handley & Hirschfield meetings.

 

The key statements are:

 

"I think she's paid her price"  After just telling the audience  that the price was the Cabinet position that Curran lost, rather than her job as a Minister.

 

and

 

"we cant have a situation where you show a bit of human frailty and then lose your job over it."  After saying that Curran had simply had a bad day.  (And then withhold the fact that she in fact HAD lost her job over it.)

 

 

 

Of course, others will disagree :-)

 

 

Yes we/they will. based on who they last voted for, so dilute that back for both, and there is the outcome. Bit worse than I reckon, bit better than you reckon. I still can't get over Mikes parallel TBH, but thats ok, everyone has a valued opinion 


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  #2085671 7-Sep-2018 14:17
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@tdgeek if it were only one Minister. 

 

But I am also referring to the PM performance this morning, that was not good at all.It reminds me of Currans um er but um in the house. 





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@tdgeek if it were only one Minister. 

 

But I am also referring to the PM performance this morning, that was not good at all.It reminds me of Currans um er but um in the house. 

 

 

Ok, to keep it simple, she was fired Thurs night, or Thursday day, JA could have told NZ she has been fired , then everyone here is happy, the daggers can be put away now. Although its rare to fire anyone, in Govt or in senior business. So she was advised to resign, which she did. JA gave her some dignity to announce that even though the ousting was done, I dont see an issue with that, JA avoided the questions by way of not lying. Or, don't worry about that, I fired her. It seems we now want the rugged fire them all approach, and less of "she's gone, job done, I'm happy (JA) now lets let her leave with a little bit of dignity" than a public sacking

 

Seems we want the brutal public sacking these days. There was no conspiracy or misleading here, timing issues only, but as the Millionaire show guy in UK says "But, lets not worry about that"


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