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  # 1908841 28-Nov-2017 10:33
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Michael "Can we Tax it, Yes we Can" Cullen

 

 

The "tax on (almost) everything" (GST) wasn't his idea.

 

 

Kiwisaver, Super, Working For Families, were, they seem like sound ideas

 

 

I don't think WFF was a good idea at all:

 

it was an admission of defeat, that ordinary working people with children in the post-reform low-wage high-cost economy were struggling to get by.

 

It effectively penalised young people without children who were on low wages but not eligible for any WFF payment, and made it harder for them to get ahead as it cemented the low-wage economy - combined with a double-whammy for that generation with tertiary fees and repaying student loans, at a time in life when you should be trying to put money aside for your future life, a deposit on a house etc.

 

Instead of giving away money, I'd have rather seen an all-out attack on low wages, "real" job creation, and a high tax-free threshold.

 

 

 

 

Isnt a high tax free threshold giving away money? And more than WFF as that is effectively a high tax threshold but just for families. If taxes are low, then the wages are under less pressure to rise, especially as where does these tax breaks get funded from? If wages are increased, costs get passed on. If we upskilled every single worker, we still have the same jobs that need to get done. We would then be either better skilled and doing the same job, or also getting paid more to do the same job, someone has to cover those costs. There is no easy solution as Govt revenue is not unlimited, in fact its very tight, same for many people.


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  # 1908919 28-Nov-2017 11:40
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Why should your income tax payments be dependent on your breeding choices and/or ability?

 

Environmentally, a no child household is significantly more desirable than a 5 child household (or indeed even a 1 child household) so that choice should be recognised and rewarded at least as much as the choice to produce children. Environmentally, paying people to have children is unsustainable.






 
 
 
 


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  # 1908920 28-Nov-2017 11:41
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The purpose of the TWG is to make the existing tax take, fairer. Its not to increase the tax take. Some taxes will  increase, some will decrease, some will be added some will be removed

 

Thats been very clearly stated.

 

Or, thats not much good as we cannot whinge about that so we will pretend that its add tax add tax add tax working group so we can diss the Govt?

 

 

 

 

I suspect that you will find that the definition of "fairer" depends on who is using it...






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tdgeek:

 

The purpose of the TWG is to make the existing tax take, fairer. Its not to increase the tax take. Some taxes will  increase, some will decrease, some will be added some will be removed

 

Thats been very clearly stated.

 

Or, thats not much good as we cannot whinge about that so we will pretend that its add tax add tax add tax working group so we can diss the Govt?

 

 

 

 

I suspect that you will find that the definition of "fairer" depends on who is using it...

 

 

I agree. If you voted for the Opposition its not fairer, no matter how perfect it may be set. If you voted for National and they were the Govt and were doing the same thing, it would be awesome

 

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  # 1911554 1-Dec-2017 10:59
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Peters might be a candidate for NZ dick of the year. (To be fair there have been quite a few)

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11951124

 

Just another embarrassing situation caused by him opening his mouth.

 

 


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  # 1911568 1-Dec-2017 11:38
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Peters might be a candidate for NZ dick of the year. (To be fair there have been quite a few)

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11951124

 

Just another embarrassing situation caused by him opening his mouth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

People really do manage to blow the slightest thing up into "news" these days, don't they?

 

I think all NZ papers should be prosecuted under Trades Description laws for not referring to themselves as "Gossip and Inane Sh*t Papers" rather than "Newspapers"!






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Geektastic:

 

networkn:

 

Peters might be a candidate for NZ dick of the year. (To be fair there have been quite a few)

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11951124

 

Just another embarrassing situation caused by him opening his mouth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

People really do manage to blow the slightest thing up into "news" these days, don't they?

 

I think all NZ papers should be prosecuted under Trades Description laws for not referring to themselves as "Gossip and Inane Sh*t Papers" rather than "Newspapers"!

 

 

 

 

A common use for newspapers is weedmat


 
 
 
 


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  # 1911675 1-Dec-2017 13:15
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People really do manage to blow the slightest thing up into "news" these days, don't they?

 

 

I am probably old school in this regard and find people getting offended over things mostly pretty stupid, but this is pretty blatant. If he'd said that about my wife, I might have smacked his mouth shut right then and there. 

 

Probably breaches my threshold of common decency.

 

 


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Supposedly he said "I said that the then Susan Devoy's sporting skill was of such a level that she could beat the best in the world even when she wasn't fit."

 

Who knows. Both of them don't like each other so either she is correct, or she is playing tit for tat now that he is in office, who knows


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  # 1911682 1-Dec-2017 13:29
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Supposedly he said "I said that the then Susan Devoy's sporting skill was of such a level that she could beat the best in the world even when she wasn't fit."

 

Who knows. Both of them don't like each other so either she is correct, or she is playing tit for tat now that he is in office, who knows

 

 

My understanding is that he said that SD was looking a little "round" and as a result should walk the length of NZ to lose a few KG. 

 

I am not a SD Fan now (though I was when she was a squash player and I am a squash player largely due to her), but if I was taking someones word for what was said, it would be SD over WP, every day of the week, twice on weekends. 

 

 


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Something great to see

 

Our PM's comments about Ed Sherwan Good to see a bit of humour reminds me a bit of David Lange.  


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  # 1911687 1-Dec-2017 13:35
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Something great to see

 

Our PM's comments about Ed Sherwan Good to see a bit of humour reminds me a bit of David Lange.  

 

 

LOL perception is an interesting thing, I thought she was trying too hard to be hip and edgy. 

 

It's kinda interesting she had plenty to say about Thiel being given citizenship but is unlikely to oppose ES. I have no issue with either, but if you have an issue with one, then should have issue with both. 

 

 


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tdgeek:

 

Supposedly he said "I said that the then Susan Devoy's sporting skill was of such a level that she could beat the best in the world even when she wasn't fit."

 

Who knows. Both of them don't like each other so either she is correct, or she is playing tit for tat now that he is in office, who knows

 

 

My understanding is that he said that SD was looking a little "round" and as a result should walk the length of NZ to lose a few KG. 

 

I am not a SD Fan now (though I was when she was a squash player and I am a squash player largely due to her), but if I was taking someones word for what was said, it would be SD over WP, every day of the week, twice on weekends. 

 

 

 

 

So would I, although its a bit of a stretch for an MP to say things like that. While politicans talk tough, they dont get that personal in NZ. What I quoted what his response today from her assertion


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tdgeek:

 

networkn:

 

tdgeek:

 

Supposedly he said "I said that the then Susan Devoy's sporting skill was of such a level that she could beat the best in the world even when she wasn't fit."

 

Who knows. Both of them don't like each other so either she is correct, or she is playing tit for tat now that he is in office, who knows

 

 

My understanding is that he said that SD was looking a little "round" and as a result should walk the length of NZ to lose a few KG. 

 

I am not a SD Fan now (though I was when she was a squash player and I am a squash player largely due to her), but if I was taking someones word for what was said, it would be SD over WP, every day of the week, twice on weekends. 

 

 

 

 

So would I, although its a bit of a stretch for an MP to say things like that. While politicans talk tough, they dont get that personal in NZ. What I quoted what his response today from her assertion

 

 

Yes, that is a significant difference between accounts. There will be a third party confirm that attended, almost certainly. That will clear it up. 

 

IF she is right, and he has come out on national TV and lied outright, he should resign. IF she has, she should. 

 

 


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  # 1911701 1-Dec-2017 14:16
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Just watch WP's statements. Everytime they get close to the facts he accuses the press on something unrelated. 

 

"Why do you think Susan Devoy wasn't fit" 

 

"It was blatantly obvious she wasn't" 

 

"What do you mean by that? How was it obvious?"

 

"Blah blah blah nothing, avoid the question, make an accusation". 

 

I think they are both wrong in this sequence of events, but I could easily see him having made a comment that was effectively what she claims it was. 

 

 


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