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  Reply # 1919597 14-Dec-2017 15:07
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I don't believe Jacinda Ardern could ever win here, too many using microscopes to find find. JK was a buffoon 90% of the time but that was over looked. I wonder if the root cause is gender.  





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  Reply # 1919614 14-Dec-2017 15:14
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MikeB4:

 

I don't believe Jacinda Ardern could ever win here, too many using microscopes to find find. JK was a buffoon 90% of the time but that was over looked. I wonder if the root cause is gender.  

 

 

I'm sorry, WHAT?! A buffoon 90% of the time? I think you have your percentages around the wrong way. JK would run rings around JA in terms of knowledge for my money. Could he be a clown and did he make some poor choices around behaviour, yes, occasionally, but wow, I can't believe you would suggest 90% of the time. 

 

You don't need a microscope to spot JA's crazy lack of experience and leadership, you could see it from the moon with a toilet roll to your eye. Will she get better, probably, we can only hope. 


 
 
 
 


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I don't believe Jacinda Ardern could ever win here, too many using microscopes to find find. JK was a buffoon 90% of the time but that was over looked. I wonder if the root cause is gender.  

 

 

No, its that some are permanently linked to a party, and that also goes both ways. If it was Little or Robertson, it would be the same. If it was JK, Bill, Gerry etc, it would be the same . It is solely a partisan issue.

 

Swing voters are far less partisan (obviously) and while I can't speak for any other swing voters, I tend to focus on the past issues, good and bad, and the near future. Direction, people, policies, and not be tied down to a lifelong party.

 

100% partisan, no question.  


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  Reply # 1919621 14-Dec-2017 15:25
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MikeB4:

 

I don't believe Jacinda Ardern could ever win here, too many using microscopes to find find. JK was a buffoon 90% of the time but that was over looked. I wonder if the root cause is gender.  

 

 

I'm sorry, WHAT?! A buffoon 90% of the time? I think you have your percentages around the wrong way. JK would run rings around JA in terms of knowledge for my money. Could he be a clown and did he make some poor choices around behaviour, yes, occasionally, but wow, I can't believe you would suggest 90% of the time. 

 

You don't need a microscope to spot JA's crazy lack of experience and leadership, you could see it from the moon with a toilet roll to your eye. Will she get better, probably, we can only hope. 

 

 

My afternoon chuckle! :-)

 

Yes, I think 90% is more than a slight exaggeration. Mikes point was about is this thread about her? Nah, its about what I posted, she just happened to draw the lucky number last November.


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Money is not everything something National forgot about (Note: I am a National voter) and many suffered as a result.





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  Reply # 1919636 14-Dec-2017 15:45
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Money is not everything something National forgot about (Note: I am a National voter) and many suffered as a result.

 

 

Yeah, nothings perfect, but people seem to conveniently forget that 

 

a) They had 4 natural disasters which took a lot of money, but more importantly ministers time, away from National they might otherwise have used in ways that suited the average voter. It's just not possible to do everything at once. CHCH Earthquake was a big learning experience for everyone in NZ and we are better prepared as a result. Comparatively the Kaikoura and Wellington EQ's were dealt with pretty efficiently.

 

b) They clearly stated all along they were primarily interested in getting a surplus, and when they had it, and it was sustainable, they would spend on social items. For my money the balance wasn't *quite* right, but I see them as trying to be fiscally responsible. Without it, Labour would not be in a position to be handing out expensive policy the way they are now. National is damned if they do and if they don't. Next time they get in, I expect them to need to balance Labours spending, which makes them the bad guys, because they aren't handing out election lollies at the same rate.


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Granted there were disasters however National spent considerable money on motorways, Defence, etc but allowed the health service to struggle, child poverty to rise, homelessness to rise and so on.





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  Reply # 1919647 14-Dec-2017 16:06
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Granted there were disasters however National spent considerable money on motorways, Defence, etc but allowed the health service to struggle, child poverty to rise, homelessness to rise and so on.

 

 

Right, How do you think you pay for Health, Social Services etc? With Tax, and Tax take is less if workers spend all their time in traffic. 

 

The Western ring has completely changed Auckland traffic for me and my staff. It takes me 10-15 minutes less per direction to get to and from work, CBD traffic is less congested, getting to the North Shore for example is generally much easier. Less time in the car, more billable hours, more tax paid, more people can be helped. 

 

As I understand it, child poverty dropped under National, Benefits went above inflation for the first time under National. What did National spend on Defense in 9 years compared to Labour 9 years prior? Are they related? Things are cyclical. 

 

 


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A salaried person would pay the same tax if the were 5 minutes on a motorway or 5 hours.  Clearly National tax take was up not down because of traffic hold ups, if down then  they were being extremely reckless in offering tax cuts.





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  Reply # 1919663 14-Dec-2017 16:33
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Granted there were disasters however National spent considerable money on motorways, Defence, etc but allowed the health service to struggle, child poverty to rise, homelessness to rise and so on.

 

 

When the number of vehicles on state highways doubles with a few years and accidents rate increase because of roads not designed for the traffic, do you just sit back and give money to students?

 

Our roads are a disgrace for this day and age. At least they started to do something about it after nine years of Labours "no roads" policy. Also the repair of SH1 from Kaikoura north is simply amazing and the cost was/is horrendous. perhaps it should have been scrapped and we just ferry people from South. Auckland City did has done nothing for almost 20 years on transport and now labour is picking up the tab.

 

In addition to the new roads that were built, billions and billions went into the natural disasters that happened and the GFC. For most of Nationals reign there actually was little left to do anything with unless borrowing was doubled. Bit of a catch 22 situation imo.

 

In NZ, Defence isnt just "Defence". It is doing our bit for the UN ie peace keeping, search and rescue and protection of our economic zone. Our spend is quite low compared to our GDP and most or our allies would like it increased.

 

Health budget all this time kept up with inflation, but it didnt keep up with technology etc. Even English admitted before last election that they let social responsibilities slip and that it needed urgent attention.

 

Labour is doing nothing on child poverty until July 2018 which was the same time Nationals changes would have come in. I think its pathetic that they gave students the priority and not address the social issues first.

 

Most of the new roads are paid from petrol tax and the like ie the road users.

 

 


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  Reply # 1919664 14-Dec-2017 16:36
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MikeB4:

 

Granted there were disasters however National spent considerable money on motorways, Defence, etc but allowed the health service to struggle, child poverty to rise, homelessness to rise and so on.

 

 

Right, How do you think you pay for Health, Social Services etc? With Tax, and Tax take is less if workers spend all their time in traffic. 

 

The Western ring has completely changed Auckland traffic for me and my staff. It takes me 10-15 minutes less per direction to get to and from work, CBD traffic is less congested, getting to the North Shore for example is generally much easier. Less time in the car, more billable hours, more tax paid, more people can be helped. 

 

As I understand it, child poverty dropped under National, Benefits went above inflation for the first time under National. What did National spend on Defense in 9 years compared to Labour 9 years prior? Are they related? Things are cyclical. 

 

 

 

 

Benefits havnt changed and in fact are linked to CPI, whereas Superannuation is linked to the average wage. For 10 years or more Superannuants have received double the increases of beneficiaries.


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MikeB4:

 

A salaried person would pay the same tax if the were 5 minutes on a motorway or 5 hours.  Clearly National tax take was up not down because of traffic hold ups, if down then  they were being extremely reckless in offering tax cuts.

 

 

Tax take doesn't just refer to salaried staff, but to overall business profitability where those staff work. Staff sitting in traffic, trucks taking longer to deliver, less jobs able to be done each day.. Reduces profit. Maintaining and responsibly increasing roading is one way of improving that.

 

As someone who works in a service business, I can tell you if traffic was not a factor, I could probably get 2-5 hours more a week each from my service guys, which extrapolated over a year x the number of businesses with the same issue, would be a reasonable increase. 

 

That's just one part of the equation. Our courier deliveries can be a factor too. Sub60 isn't really sub60 any more, fastest you can do is about 2 hours. 

 

 


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A homeless person does not need more motorways or more aircraft with roundels, someone on an ever increasing waiting list does not need more motorways or more aircraft with roundels , a child in an over crowded classroom does not need  more motorways or more aircraft with roundels, a child going to school with inadequate clothing and hungry does not need  more motorways or more aircraft with roundels, multiple families living in one house or in a garage does not need  more motorways or more aircraft with roundels, victims of domestic violence or victims our appalling child abuse does not need  more motorways or more aircraft with roundels.

 

Nationals main priority was for increasing wealth when more and more New Zealanders needed a warm home, a dry bed, a safe house, not to be hungry and able to see a doctor. The Western ring or the Kapiti expressway means nothing to a hungry child walking to school with leaking or no shoes.





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Right, How do you think you pay for Health, Social Services etc? With Tax, and Tax take is less if workers spend all their time in traffic

 

The Western ring has completely changed Auckland traffic for me and my staff. It takes me 10-15 minutes less per direction to get to and from work, CBD traffic is less congested, getting to the North Shore for example is generally much easier. Less time in the car, more billable hours, more tax paid, more people can be helped. 

 

 

Big revelation: There is such a thing as public transport. Not in National's New Zealand, of course.

 

 





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Rikkitic:

 

networkn:

 

Right, How do you think you pay for Health, Social Services etc? With Tax, and Tax take is less if workers spend all their time in traffic

 

The Western ring has completely changed Auckland traffic for me and my staff. It takes me 10-15 minutes less per direction to get to and from work, CBD traffic is less congested, getting to the North Shore for example is generally much easier. Less time in the car, more billable hours, more tax paid, more people can be helped. 

 

 

Big revelation: There is such a thing as public transport. Not in National's New Zealand, of course.

 

 

 

 

When you create replies like this, it makes me want to reply in kind. What did Labour do last time it was in power about public transport? What does it intend to do this term about public transport? Without a significant upgrade, it's not as amazing as you clearly think. If they give it the upgrade it needs, then they will need more money, which is less money for social services, education and healthcare. Unless of course Labour has grown money trees? Oh wait, they don't need to grow money trees, they can just tax the living bejesus out of the hardworking, which means less money in their hands, which means more need for social services!

 

When was the last time you actually were in a major NZ city and tried to run a service business using public transport? Are you proposing my guys get on a bus and take servers to clients? 

 

It's easy to be glib and come up with snappy oone-linerswhen you don't have to think it through apparently. 

 

Speak up if anyone here is in Wellington and find the trains service reliable and trustworthy?


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