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  Reply # 1921174 18-Dec-2017 11:04
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networkn:

 

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networkn:

 

That's very rude (Why would I expect anything less). 

 

Just like I expect my surgeon to have a passing knowledge of surgery, I believe that those who vote should have a passing knowledge of what they vote for. 

 

 

 

 

I wasn't trying to be rude. If that is how it came across, I apologise.

 

I was trying to make a point, which I'm surprised you can't see. The essence of democracy is that everyone has a voice. As soon as you try to introduce eligibility qualifications to vote, you open up endless cans of worms. The system is the way it is for a reason, and it is a good one. 

 

Who determines voter eligibility under your suggestion? Does someone have to convince you that they are sufficiently knowledgeable? What are your criteria? Why yours, and not someone else's?

 

People vote the way they do for different reasons. These may be based on political nous, party affiliation, or the colour of the candidate's hair. It is none of your business why someone chooses to vote the way they do, nor is it anyone else's. For all its shortcomings, democracy works pretty well for most people. For one thing, it allows someone like you to complain endlessly when you don't get your way. I can't think of any other system I would rather have.

 

 

 

 

I was stating a preference that people spend time (to be fair people spend more time drinking coffee in a month than it would take to get a passing knowledge of the major parties) investigating parties and their policies, and their decisions affect millions of people. 

 

I understand it won't happen, and so we have muppets like this lady I was speaking to, who had she of done a modicum of research would have actually voted for a party that represented her actual views (I don't care which party). 

 

You are (generally) required to be qualified to do most jobs. 

 

Why my criteria? Well, because it's "my" preference.  In reality, it wouldn't be mine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have always felt voting should be a licenced activity. Historically (perhaps not in NZ but in the UK from where NZ's democracy originated) voting was effectively restricted to those with education in a population  that was mostly uneducated by virtue of things like only land owners being able to vote etc and they were the only people by and large at the time who were educated.

 

Nowadays, the consequences of government changes can be so serious due to the ways that the world has changed, that at the very least passing some sort of exam at the age of 18 as part of the school leaving process which would test basic economic and political understanding should be a requirement before you can vote.

 

Some people you meet are so daft that frankly I would not allow them a voice in choosing their own clothes without help, much less choosing a government.






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  Reply # 1921175 18-Dec-2017 11:06
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networkn:

 

You'd think Labour might have investigated a little more thoroughly why National thought a ban on foreign buyers wasn't an ideal solution. Turns out they were probably right. 

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11961504

 

More evidence to support my earlier claims.  

 

 

 

 

Your point may be more effectively conveyed if you include some content from the link.  It seems that there are a large number of people who see a picture of Mike Hosking in an article and simply click away...   Of course, this is commentary from the Treasury, not from a television personality. 

 

If you will allow me:

 

 

Treasury has warned the Government that its rush to ban overseas people from buying existing New Zealand homes may have "sub-optimal" or "unintended consequences".

 

And it further questions the benefit to the general public, saying that there is "low " certainty of evidence that it would ease pressure on the housing market or see an increase in the number of new homes.

 

 

That is official advice to the government.

 

 

 

This is commentary :-)

 

 

Labour didn’t have a plan to govern, which is in stark contrast to Helen Clark. She had extensive plans, funding and political backing to implement her policies. Jacinda Ardern didn’t do the work, neither did Grant Robertson. They simply had a collection of bumper sticker policy ideas but no depth...

 

There was no attempt to build a team to go into government because no one expected to go into government. No talent pool, no pathway to develop talent and all the competent people have been burned off and are working in the private sector. As a consequence Labour is floundering.

 

Grant Robertson as finance minister is the unexploded missile in the silo of this government.

 


 
 
 
 


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I actually have some respect for Grant Robertson, I think he is a smart man with a tough job. The bottom line is he can't do magic. Numbers are numbers and the truth comes out. 

 

The leftist blogs are all up in arms over the lack of left policy in Labours plans, and I hear some chit chat around the traps that the Unions aren't happy either. 

 

 


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Tax cuts may or may not improve the tax take through increased spending, but I get the impression that 'trickle down' has now been largely discredited and the worst off don't really benefit from such measures. Even if government spending is a wasteful lolly scramble, does this not put money back into the economy? Why is one worse than the other? 



Taxing and then returning money is inefficient. There are obviously administrative costs, time value of money (interest) forfeited, and possibly other costs involved. Benefits can be more effective in re-distributing money, but the efficiency of tax cuts can't be disputed. I agree though that largely this money is goes straight back into the economy, especially if it is directed at lower income households - generally anybody living below the poverty line will have higher spending priorities than savings priorities.

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  Reply # 1921194 18-Dec-2017 11:35
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Your point may be more effectively conveyed if you include some content from the link.  It seems that there are a large number of people who see a picture of Mike Hosking in an article and simply click away...   Of course, this is commentary from the Treasury, not from a television personality. 

 

If you will allow me:

 

 

That's fair, thanks for clarifying. I'll try and do better. 


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  Reply # 1921197 18-Dec-2017 11:39
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networkn:

 

I actually have some respect for Grant Robertson, I think he is a smart man with a tough job. The bottom line is he can't do magic. Numbers are numbers and the truth comes out. 

 

The leftist blogs are all up in arms over the lack of left policy in Labours plans, and I hear some chit chat around the traps that the Unions aren't happy either. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Traps?






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  Reply # 1921212 18-Dec-2017 12:00
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Geektastic:

 

networkn:

 

I actually have some respect for Grant Robertson, I think he is a smart man with a tough job. The bottom line is he can't do magic. Numbers are numbers and the truth comes out. 

 

The leftist blogs are all up in arms over the lack of left policy in Labours plans, and I hear some chit chat around the traps that the Unions aren't happy either. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Traps?

 

 

Kiwi slang. It could mean all the other sites in NZ if you were talking from within a company. If you were talking about friends or contacts in various places/activities, it could mean that.


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  Reply # 1921222 18-Dec-2017 12:19
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Geektastic:

 

I have always felt voting should be a licenced activity. Historically (perhaps not in NZ but in the UK from where NZ's democracy originated) voting was effectively restricted to those with education in a population  that was mostly uneducated by virtue of things like only land owners being able to vote etc and they were the only people by and large at the time who were educated.

 

Nowadays, the consequences of government changes can be so serious due to the ways that the world has changed, that at the very least passing some sort of exam at the age of 18 as part of the school leaving process which would test basic economic and political understanding should be a requirement before you can vote.

 

Some people you meet are so daft that frankly I would not allow them a voice in choosing their own clothes without help, much less choosing a government.

 

 

And the common people should doff their caps and touch their forelocks to their betters, why didn't we think of that before?

 

 





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Geektastic:

 

I have always felt voting should be a licenced activity. Historically (perhaps not in NZ but in the UK from where NZ's democracy originated) voting was effectively restricted to those with education in a population  that was mostly uneducated by virtue of things like only land owners being able to vote etc and they were the only people by and large at the time who were educated.

 

Nowadays, the consequences of government changes can be so serious due to the ways that the world has changed, that at the very least passing some sort of exam at the age of 18 as part of the school leaving process which would test basic economic and political understanding should be a requirement before you can vote.

 

Some people you meet are so daft that frankly I would not allow them a voice in choosing their own clothes without help, much less choosing a government.

 

 

 

 

Really??? good grief 





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  Reply # 1921401 18-Dec-2017 16:36
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Rikkitic:

 

Geektastic:

 

I have always felt voting should be a licenced activity. Historically (perhaps not in NZ but in the UK from where NZ's democracy originated) voting was effectively restricted to those with education in a population  that was mostly uneducated by virtue of things like only land owners being able to vote etc and they were the only people by and large at the time who were educated.

 

Nowadays, the consequences of government changes can be so serious due to the ways that the world has changed, that at the very least passing some sort of exam at the age of 18 as part of the school leaving process which would test basic economic and political understanding should be a requirement before you can vote.

 

Some people you meet are so daft that frankly I would not allow them a voice in choosing their own clothes without help, much less choosing a government.

 

 

And the common people should doff their caps and touch their forelocks to their betters, why didn't we think of that before?

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're correct, of course - although I am not holding my breath.






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  Reply # 1921402 18-Dec-2017 16:37
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tdgeek:

 

Geektastic:

 

networkn:

 

I actually have some respect for Grant Robertson, I think he is a smart man with a tough job. The bottom line is he can't do magic. Numbers are numbers and the truth comes out. 

 

The leftist blogs are all up in arms over the lack of left policy in Labours plans, and I hear some chit chat around the traps that the Unions aren't happy either. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Traps?

 

 

Kiwi slang. It could mean all the other sites in NZ if you were talking from within a company. If you were talking about friends or contacts in various places/activities, it could mean that.

 

 

 

 

Ah. Thanks for the clarification.






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Geektastic:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Geektastic:

 

I have always felt voting should be a licenced activity. Historically (perhaps not in NZ but in the UK from where NZ's democracy originated) voting was effectively restricted to those with education in a population  that was mostly uneducated by virtue of things like only land owners being able to vote etc and they were the only people by and large at the time who were educated.

 

Nowadays, the consequences of government changes can be so serious due to the ways that the world has changed, that at the very least passing some sort of exam at the age of 18 as part of the school leaving process which would test basic economic and political understanding should be a requirement before you can vote.

 

Some people you meet are so daft that frankly I would not allow them a voice in choosing their own clothes without help, much less choosing a government.

 

 

And the common people should doff their caps and touch their forelocks to their betters, why didn't we think of that before?

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're correct, of course - although I am not holding my breath.

 

 

 

 

That's good - because when those systems have been in place over history, they don't tend to last - eventually the peasants come seeking revenge, armed with pitchforks and torches.

 

"Don't put me to the guillotine - I've got Asperger's" isn't likely to work in your defense.


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  Reply # 1921503 18-Dec-2017 20:28
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Aus plans to charge NZ students full fees to study at Aus institutions has been scrapped.

 

Thank you.


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  Reply # 1921509 18-Dec-2017 20:57
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Fred99:

 

Aus plans to charge NZ students full fees to study at Aus institutions has been scrapped.

 

Thank you.

 

 

Is that a win for this horrid new govt?  Im not up to play with the NZ vs Oz features and benefits so a genuine post  


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tdgeek:

 

Fred99:

 

Aus plans to charge NZ students full fees to study at Aus institutions has been scrapped.

 

Thank you.

 

 

Is that a win for this horrid new govt?  Im not up to play with the NZ vs Oz features and benefits so a genuine post  

 

 

What's horrid about it?

 

Nothing has affected me, financially or personally - except the hysterical level of whining from a few in the media and a few bitter individuals has been extreme.

 

I think she's well thought of overseas. A good thing happened - and you're complaining?  

 

LOL.


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