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  # 1964451 26-Feb-2018 14:24
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rjt123: If she doesn't want to be likened to Trump maybe she shouldn't act like him.

 

LOL. 
Did you find that gem on twitter or "Stuff's" comment section?


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  # 1964454 26-Feb-2018 14:28
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Fred99:

 

 

 

I used the word "unfortunately" that's normal politics.  Not in your wildest dream should that be construed to mean I "justify it".

 

You misrepresent me - and continue to do so without showing even the slightest sign that you comprehend.

 

That attitude actually bothers me more than politician lies, which I've come to expect.

 

I said this thread was an echo chamber.  Boy was I right.

 

 

 

 

I am trying to keep an open mind here, if you can show me, perhaps another way what you mean, however, when you say Labour lied, it bothers me, but National did it, and it's normal politics, I can't see any other way to interpret what you are saying.

 

Is there any chance whatsoever you are wrong here?

 

 

 

 

No - you should give up - you and other posters in this thread are being extremely silly.

 

Don't reply to me in this thread.  I won't see your reply. I might pop back in at a later date when I feel like having another laugh.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1964457 26-Feb-2018 14:30
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Fred99:

 

No - you should give up - you and other posters in this thread are being extremely silly.

 

Don't reply to me in this thread.  I won't see your reply. I might pop back in at a later date when I feel like having another laugh.

 

 

Mature. See my earlier comments about your posting style. I am at least prepared to TRY and see someone else's perspective. 

 

 

 

 


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  # 1964458 26-Feb-2018 14:31
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Fred99:

rjt123: If she doesn't want to be likened to Trump maybe she shouldn't act like him.


LOL. 
Did you find that gem on twitter or "Stuff's" comment section?



Um no, it came from the heart.

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  # 1964658 26-Feb-2018 16:58
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Some people never cease to amaze me. How can you compare our Pm to the Us President. While many post on this forum do post some reasonable discussion points others no matter what they try to say will never change their minds. Calling people idiots because they dont agree with their policies. Surely they wouldn't do this to their face so why do it on a site such as this.  Its time some of you who post regularly got back to work I am amazed at how much time that some spend on Geekzone.  You need to get a life despite all your predictions, around  50% of the Latest polls support what the govt is doing or trying to do There are far more people out there who have greater knowledge and ability to carry out and implement policies than the posters on this forum and if you think you can do better go and join a political party and make the changes that way and stop all the negative attitude you have towards this Govt.  We need to get behind our country If you cant do this you have a problem.


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  # 1964692 26-Feb-2018 17:26
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gulfa:

 

Some people never cease to amaze me. How can you compare our Pm to the Us President. While many post on this forum do post some reasonable discussion points others no matter what they try to say will never change their minds. Calling people idiots because they dont agree with their policies. Surely they wouldn't do this to their face so why do it on a site such as this.  Its time some of you who post regularly got back to work I am amazed at how much time that some spend on Geekzone.  You need to get a life despite all your predictions, around  50% of the Latest polls support what the govt is doing or trying to do There are far more people out there who have greater knowledge and ability to carry out and implement policies than the posters on this forum and if you think you can do better go and join a political party and make the changes that way and stop all the negative attitude you have towards this Govt.  We need to get behind our country If you cant do this you have a problem.

 



I agree with you 100% (voted support for you) but this thread has been taken over by certain posters who repeat over and over again their same old unprovable tripe about how bad a new government of 4 months is and how they've failed to deliver on their election promises.

It's like F99 said, it's just an echo chamber of National party supporters (including the one who claims to have voted Labour) venting their disappointment that the majority of New Zealanders dont think like they do.  

It's just not worth the time responding to them.


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  # 1964694 26-Feb-2018 17:31
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Thanks for the comment


 
 
 
 


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  # 1964695 26-Feb-2018 17:35
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I agree with you 100% (voted support for you) but this thread has been taken over by certain posters who repeat over and over again their same old unprovable tripe about how bad a new government of 4 months is and how they've failed to deliver on their election promises.

 

 

Unprovable tripe? Mate, you need to check a newspaper or website. Are you denying that Labour has walked back many of it's policies? Has JA been transparent and honest like she said she would be? 

 

All I see from the other side, are the same old posters defending their side by saying the new Government hasn't had enough time. With the time they have had, all they have said since they were put into power, was how little they are going to do, compared with what was promised. If you can't see that, I am lost for words. If JA had campaigned on what she could deliver rather than the fairy tales she told, she wouldn't be in power at all. 

 



It's just not worth the time responding to them.

 

 

Yet, here you are. Again.


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  # 1964702 26-Feb-2018 17:48
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Some people never cease to amaze me. How can you compare our Pm to the Us President. While many post on this forum do post some reasonable discussion points others no matter what they try to say will never change their minds. Calling people idiots because they dont agree with their policies. Surely they wouldn't do this to their face so why do it on a site such as this.  Its time some of you who post regularly got back to work I am amazed at how much time that some spend on Geekzone.  You need to get a life despite all your predictions, around  50% of the Latest polls support what the govt is doing or trying to do There are far more people out there who have greater knowledge and ability to carry out and implement policies than the posters on this forum and if you think you can do better go and join a political party and make the changes that way and stop all the negative attitude you have towards this Govt.  We need to get behind our country If you cant do this you have a problem.

 

 

Well, I am unsure who you are referring to, but I have not called anyone an idiot. I am prepared for anyone to challenge my views, with evidence to support their counter views. Despite the many claims to the contrary, if someone can show me evidence to support a different view and it's incontrovertible, then I'll change my position. People who know me personally know this. 

 

I don't think I can implement policy or design policy better than National, that's why I support them and vote for them. I think National can support, develop and deliver policy for NZ better than Labour. I think of Labour had been in opposition for another 3 years, we would have seen if JA was a good leader, she would have time to properly flesh out her policies, cost them, and consider them from more than the angle of winning the election and potentially they would have been good candidates for Governing in 2020. 

 

I am curious as to whether you supported "your country" (By this I assume not complaining when policy was announced you disagreed with or wasn't delivered on) when it was led by National? I have seen plenty of posts from you high in emotion and low on facts and reason trashing National in an equally "unbalanced" way as you accuse some others here of doing. If you see someone lighting a stick of dynamite, do you sit by and watch as the fuse burns and wait to see what the consequences are before critisting the person who is lighting it? 

 

If your expectation is that a new minority support Government is going to be supported just because they got into power, then I think you might need to consider how reasonable that is. 

 

I support New Zealand's success and it's people. I just differ in my view to the current Government on how it should be achieved.


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  # 1964715 26-Feb-2018 17:52
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gulfa:

Some people never cease to amaze me. How can you compare our Pm to the Us President. While many post on this forum do post some reasonable discussion points others no matter what they try to say will never change their minds. Calling people idiots because they dont agree with their policies. Surely they wouldn't do this to their face so why do it on a site such as this.  Its time some of you who post regularly got back to work I am amazed at how much time that some spend on Geekzone.  You need to get a life despite all your predictions, around  50% of the Latest polls support what the govt is doing or trying to do There are far more people out there who have greater knowledge and ability to carry out and implement policies than the posters on this forum and if you think you can do better go and join a political party and make the changes that way and stop all the negative attitude you have towards this Govt.  We need to get behind our country If you cant do this you have a problem.



My previous comment suggesting Jacinda is like Trump refers back to an older post. However I knew it would be polarising when I said it, but I don't withdraw it.

At face value the two leaders couldn't be more different, hence Jacinda being termed the 'anti-trump'. As a person she is probably quite pleasant, makes herself approachable, friendly and seem sincere. The media tout her as 'young and fresh', she features in the Vogue magazine, and does all the right things. And that's great, a good leader needs to seem human. She says the right things to appeal to people's emotions, and all in all she is an excellent communicator. Trump on the other hand is quite the opposite.

But character is far deeper than outward personality. As sincere as she may seem, one must balance her apparent sincerity and acclaimed honesty etc against her actions, and her desire to effect the change she claims to want. As discussed earlier, backtracking or revising down the key policies her supporters expect is wrong.

One must also balance up the virtues of her policy and the benefits for NZ. No matter how good the smile, or how appealing the speeches, at the end of the day it comes down to results. You might hate Trump for his attitudes, for what he says, his manner, but at the end of the day, it's what he does for the American people that matters. To compare the two, which leader is doing more or better for their country?

I am not at all surprised by the apparent support in the polls for Adern, the media love her and naturally this converts into increased popularity. In contrast the media has an intense dislike against Trump, which distorts public opinion against him.

As has been said many times on here , if Jacinda enacts the policy of the labour party, in my opinion as a whole it will be detrimental for NZ, even if technically they have achieved what they set out to do. So to use a common expression, they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Of course at this stage I am simply basing my expectations on generally accepted economy principles and personal values etc, if for some reason their policies defy history and result in an all-round better economy (meaning economy in the broadest sense) then they will win my respect, in the meantime I have been shown no reason to give it to them.

So right now would be a good time to dramatically state my disgust at the direction of this thread, to pretend to hold my head up and state my intention to leave this thread and imply that I will move on to greater, more noble things. But I'm enjoying this too much to leave, so I think I'll stay... ๐Ÿ˜†

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  # 1964719 26-Feb-2018 18:01
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My previous comment suggesting Jacinda is like Trump refers back to an older post. However I knew it would be polarising when I said it, but I don't withdraw it.

At face value the two leaders couldn't be more different, hence Jacinda being termed the 'anti-trump'. As a person she is probably quite pleasant, makes herself approachable, friendly and seem sincere. The media tout her as 'young and fresh', she features in the Vogue magazine, and does all the right things. And that's great, a good leader needs to seem human. She says the right things to appeal to people's emotions, and all in all she is an excellent communicator. Trump on the other hand is quite the opposite.

But character is far deeper than outward personality. As sincere as she may seem, one must balance her apparent sincerity and acclaimed honesty etc against her actions, and her desire to effect the change she claims to want. As discussed earlier, backtracking or revising down the key policies her supporters expect is wrong.

One must also balance up the virtues of her policy and the benefits for NZ. No matter how good the smile, or how appealing the speeches, at the end of the day it comes down to results. You might hate Trump for his attitudes, for what he says, his manner, but at the end of the day, it's what he does for the American people that matters. To compare the two, which leader is doing more or better for their country?

I am not at all surprised by the apparent support in the polls for Adern, the media love her and naturally this converts into increased popularity. In contrast the media has an intense dislike against Trump, which distorts public opinion against him.

As has been said many times on here , if Jacinda enacts the policy of the labour party, in my opinion as a whole it will be detrimental for NZ, even if technically they have achieved what they set out to do. So to use a common expression, they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Of course at this stage I am simply basing my expectations on generally accepted economy principles and personal values etc, if for some reason their policies defy history and result in an all-round better economy (meaning economy in the broadest sense) then they will win my respect, in the meantime I have been shown no reason to give it to them.

So right now would be a good time to dramatically state my disgust at the direction of this thread, to pretend to hold my head up and state my intention to leave this thread and imply that I will move on to greater, more noble things. But I'm enjoying this too much to leave, so I think I'll stay... ๐Ÿ˜†

 

This was a well worded, calm and reasoned post. Well done.

 

 


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  # 1965044 27-Feb-2018 13:03
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Kind of interested to see peoples impression of the removal of the youth employment rates. 

 

What I can't get past, is why I would employ someone 15-20 when I could get an adult for the same wage, likely more experienced etc?

 

 


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  # 1965091 27-Feb-2018 14:03
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This thread is more about people trying to protect JA than anything else. Mark Richardsons comments apply here as well. She is a big girl....she must stand up on her own feet..pregnant or not.


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  # 1965101 27-Feb-2018 14:10
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Pumpedd:

 

This thread is more about people trying to protect JA than anything else. Mark Richardsons comments apply here as well. She is a big girl....she must stand up on her own feet..pregnant or not.

 

 

To be completely fair to JA, she has not asked for any special treatment as a result of being young, female, inexperienced or pregnant. I think some people just jump to her defense for those reasons. THAT is what needs to stop. 

 

I think the interview by the 60 minutes guy was too far. I don't object to it with the same vehemence of some, but it didn't sit well with me. Asking questions about conception was creepy. I didn't have a problem with him stating she was attractive per se. 

 

 


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  # 1965102 27-Feb-2018 14:11
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networkn:

Kind of interested to see peoples impression of the removal of the youth employment rates. 


What I can't get past, is why I would employ someone 15-20 when I could get an adult for the same wage, likely more experienced etc?


 



I'm inclined to the view that persons aged up to 18 ought to be at school.

From 18 onwards you're an adult, so your wages should be determined by the usual factors.





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