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  #1912200 3-Dec-2017 10:28
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MikeB4: Let's not substitute racism with ageism

 

Don Brash's views, and those of Hobson's Pledge for example, do seem to attract a much higher proportion of older supporters than young. That said, their ilk do not represent all older NZer's (myself included). So fair point, my bad.


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Language does not evolve and survive through the best intentions of academics.

 

Radio New Zealand will not save Te Reo, it will be saved / die amongst the masses, particularly the young.

 

It's cool that we all try, but complaining about someone lobbying for their cause, getting approval to promote it and doing so... well they're wasting their breath.

 

 

 

Personally, I think RNZ's birdcalls should be replaced by the chirps and trills that Gareth Morgan's favourite cats make when they stalk native wood pigeons...


 
 
 
 


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  #1912220 3-Dec-2017 11:11
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Whoever heard of young people listening to RNZ? Just, maybe, this is why only older people are heard to complain?

 

Just a thought.


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  #1912221 3-Dec-2017 11:11
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MikeB4:


It is an official language why wouldn't they encourage it?



Why would you want to ram it down people's throats who do want it??  Seems to be the trendy thing these days..



 


Ensuring the survival of the language of the original inhabitants of this country is more important than whatever you want, mate. And I have seen no evidence to presume anywhere near the majority of the country wants RNZ to be english only.



Why? What difference does it make to the world at large? It will either survive through being useful or it won't. It's not an art project.





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MikeB4: Let's not substitute racism with ageism

 

 

 

Surely it should be 'add ageism to racism'... Or cant old *white* men be discriminated against because they're, you know, white...

 

Note: Don Brash and his 'politics' is as bad/silly as Gareth Morgan IMHO. 


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The real question is why RNZ management have encouraged their staff to use Te Reo on air to this extent.    Could their reasoning be more strategic than anything else?    RNZ has not had a funding increase in a long long time.     I think RNZ may be thinking that having a large number of Maori members of Parliament who are supportive of RNZ & its funding would be a very good thing.

 



I doubt the use of Te Reo has anything to do with funding RNZ receives.

 

 

 

An eight-year funding freeze on Radio New Zealand has come to an end with the Government announcing an annual boost of $2.84 million in the Budget for the state-owned broadcaster.

 

Arts, Culture and Heritage Minister Maggie Barrie said the extra money would help Radio NZ invest in new technology and "improved capability".

 

Radio NZ's funding through NZ On Air had been set at $32m since 2007. 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/92976168/budget-2017-radio-nz-funding-freeze-comes-to-an-end

Looks like it was another part of the National Parties 'election bribes, like their 'tax cuts.' IMHO

 

But then theres this:

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced before the election that a Labour government would pay for RNZ to set up a non-commercial television service, funded from a $38 million annual boost for public broadcasting that would also provide more money for NZ On Air.

 

 


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  #1912234 3-Dec-2017 11:54
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old3eyes:

 

MikeB4:

 

It is an official language why wouldn't they encourage it?

 

 

Why would you want to ram it down people's throats who do want it??  Seems to be the trendy thing these days..

 



There is a 20 second (at best) Te Reo announcement ant the top of the hour (before the news bulletin).  Other than that there's only an occasional 10-15 second Te Reo announcement. How is that ramming it down peoples throats?
This is on RNZ National programme. 


 
 
 
 


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I am always perplexed by threads like this. Coming from Europe, I don’t understand why it is even an issue.

 

In Europe, there are many languages and cultures that cross national boundaries. Although there have been ethnic conflicts at different times and places, and recent immigration is causing new concerns, many countries recognise the value of minority languages and cultures and try to respect and even encourage them.

 

I like to travel and I enjoy the differences I encounter. I like experiencing the different ways people live, and I like learning the different words they use for things. I would hate to live in a world where everything is exactly the same. I would hate to live in a gated community occupied only by Don Brash’s. What a dreary, boring place that would be!

 

In Holland, nearly everything on TV and in the cinema is subtitled. This is because Holland is a small country (like New Zealand) and most media content is in other languages. When I first came to New Zealand I missed that. I was used to reading along with whatever I was hearing, even if I understood it.

 

Language and culture are an essential component of identity. Maori are part of New Zealand. They have every right to want to use their language and customs on the national stage. Why shouldn’t they? We would all be enriched by it.

 

Personally, I think the Maori language should be much more prominent here than it is. I don’t understand why all non-Maori programming on all television channels is not subtitled in Te Reo, and all Maori programming is not also in English. This makes a lot more sense than the Maori ghettos currently on TV and it wouldn’t kill some of the rednecks in this country to pick up a few Maori phrases. Who knows? They might even enjoy the experience of learning something new!

 

 





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Geektastic:Why? What difference does it make to the world at large? It will either survive through being useful or it won't. It's not an art project.


It is our culture and part of our identity. It is very important.




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Geektastic: 

 


Why? What difference does it make to the world at large? It will either survive through being useful or it won't. It's not an art project.

 

Just the thought of this getting some of the old, pathetic racists hyper-ventilating and hopefully sending them off sooner than expected is a good enough benefit for me.

 

 

 

 


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MikeB4:
Geektastic:Why? What difference does it make to the world at large? It will either survive through being useful or it won't. It's not an art project.


It is our culture and part of our identity. It is very important.

 

 

 

I can find you a whole handful of people who would not agree with you there whose families have been here since the year dot.

 

It's like claiming that Welsh or Gaelic are part of British culture: they are, but no one who isn't Welsh or Scottish will ever speak it or expect to hear it spoken outside Wales or Scotland, because no one understands it or would find the learning of it remotely useful.

 

In my years here I would say the feeling I have  is that it is "part of SOME New Zealander's culture" but I have without doubt met many many more for whom it is little more than a curiosity at best.

 

 






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  #1912266 3-Dec-2017 14:54
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I loved the bit where he said "Maori are represented in the worst statistics because they don't speak English very well"! It was a thoroughly amusing interview.


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linw:

 

Whoever heard of young people listening to RNZ? Just, maybe, this is why only older people are heard to complain?

 

Just a thought.

 

 

It is a misconception that mainly old people listen to RNZ. It may have been true 20 years ago, but these days it tends to be more popular with young urban liberals.

 

Older people seem to prefer NZME stations because they like their right wing shock jocks. Maybe Don Brash could get a job as a DJ there.


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Geektastic:

 

MikeB4:
Geektastic:Why? What difference does it make to the world at large? It will either survive through being useful or it won't. It's not an art project.


It is our culture and part of our identity. It is very important.

 

 

 

I can find you a whole handful of people who would not agree with you there whose families have been here since the year dot.

 

It's like claiming that Welsh or Gaelic are part of British culture: they are, but no one who isn't Welsh or Scottish will ever speak it or expect to hear it spoken outside Wales or Scotland, because no one understands it or would find the learning of it remotely useful.

 

In my years here I would say the feeling I have  is that it is "part of SOME New Zealander's culture" but I have without doubt met many many more for whom it is little more than a curiosity at best.

 

 

 

 

And the point is Te Reo has a right to be spoken in Aoteraroa, as your point beautifully illustrates. Those visitors that have arrived since year 'dot' don't have the right to say otherwise. 

 

Thankfully children are learning tolerance and acceptance in schools so that would make many many many more people in NZ who do not share your view.

 

 


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Geektastic:

 

but I have without doubt met many many more for whom it is little more than a curiosity at best.

 

 

I can't speak for Maori but I would imagine that for many, it would be a lot more than just a curiosity. I would further imagine that for those who were deprived of their language and culture while growing up, and who now feel a sense of loss as a result of that, it would also be more than a curiosity at best.

 

 





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