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  #1945927 24-Jan-2018 11:15
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I don't recall them saying anything about increasing student loans prior to the election?


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  #1945930 24-Jan-2018 11:20
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bmt:

 

Remember how National promised, as a failed by-election bribe, to build 10 new bridges in Northland? 

 

Anyone know how many got built? :)

 

 

Are you saying that since National didn't deliver it's ok for Labour to do the same? Is that how it works?


 
 
 
 


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  #1945971 24-Jan-2018 12:17
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eph:

 

bmt:

 

Remember how National promised, as a failed by-election bribe, to build 10 new bridges in Northland? 

 

Anyone know how many got built? :)

 

 

Are you saying that since National didn't deliver it's ok for Labour to do the same? Is that how it works?

 

 

You are being silly now. This post has nothing to do with National.




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  #1946001 24-Jan-2018 12:57
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eph:

 

bmt:

 

Remember how National promised, as a failed by-election bribe, to build 10 new bridges in Northland? 

 

Anyone know how many got built? :)

 

 

Are you saying that since National didn't deliver it's ok for Labour to do the same? Is that how it works?

 

 

@bmt

 

Or are you saying that when an electorate votes against a political campaign (as they did in Northland) that the promises of that rejected campaign are still expected to be upheld?


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  #1946887 25-Jan-2018 21:47
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They didn't say "vote for us and we'll build 10 new bridges" or "we'll only build the bridges if you vote for us".

 

It was an election bribe to try an endear themselves to the Northland voters. National were in government so regardless of the election result it should have happened; the fact that National lost that by-election is irrelevant :)


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  #1947013 26-Jan-2018 09:37
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bmt:

 

They didn't say "vote for us and we'll build 10 new bridges" or "we'll only build the bridges if you vote for us".

 

It was an election bribe to try an endear themselves to the Northland voters. National were in government so regardless of the election result it should have happened; the fact that National lost that by-election is irrelevant :)

 

 

I assume you will be out on the streets marching against the TPP?

 

Amazes me the sound of silence this time round when really nothing has changed except the flipflop Government.


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  #1947853 28-Jan-2018 15:08
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Pumpedd:

 

bmt:

 

They didn't say "vote for us and we'll build 10 new bridges" or "we'll only build the bridges if you vote for us".

 

It was an election bribe to try an endear themselves to the Northland voters. National were in government so regardless of the election result it should have happened; the fact that National lost that by-election is irrelevant :)

 

 

I assume you will be out on the streets marching against the TPP?

 

Amazes me the sound of silence this time round when really nothing has changed except the flipflop Government.

 

 

except there has been change.





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  #1947943 28-Jan-2018 20:46
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MikeB4:

 

Pumpedd:

 

bmt:

 

They didn't say "vote for us and we'll build 10 new bridges" or "we'll only build the bridges if you vote for us".

 

It was an election bribe to try an endear themselves to the Northland voters. National were in government so regardless of the election result it should have happened; the fact that National lost that by-election is irrelevant :)

 

 

I assume you will be out on the streets marching against the TPP?

 

Amazes me the sound of silence this time round when really nothing has changed except the flipflop Government.

 

 

except there has been change.

 

 

Yes spending millions on a new race course is certainly change. 


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  #1947949 28-Jan-2018 21:17
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TPP has a race track clause ?




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  #1948208 29-Jan-2018 16:18
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bmt:

 

Remember how National promised, as a failed by-election bribe, to build 10 new bridges in Northland? 

 

Anyone know how many got built? :)

 

 

Promises by politicians are on an 'if-elected' basis.  The electorate elected Winston, which relieves National of any obligation.





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  #1948211 29-Jan-2018 16:30
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I wonder what the required run-rate is looking like on the tree and houses? 

 

Recently Twyford was trying to argue on the AM show the trees would provide timber for building the houses.

 

He had to be reminded trees take ~20 years to grow.   I am sure he knows better.  But I think he grasps something several posters on this thread may not: labour don't actually have to deliver. They simply have to convince their voters (many of whom aren't that sharp) they are delivering.  Ditto Winston's voters. 

 

And of course the greens vote has hung in there for decades, largely getting by on sentiment alone.

 

This coalition doesn't need outcomes, they only need outputs.

 

 





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  #1948255 29-Jan-2018 18:13
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MikeAqua:

 

I wonder what the required run-rate is looking like on the tree and houses? 

 

Recently Twyford was trying to argue on the AM show the trees would provide timber for building the houses.

 

He had to be reminded trees take ~20 years to grow.   I am sure he knows better.  But I think he grasps something several posters on this thread may not: labour don't actually have to deliver. They simply have to convince their voters (many of whom aren't that sharp) they are delivering.  Ditto Winston's voters. 

 

And of course the greens vote has hung in there for decades, largely getting by on sentiment alone.

 

This coalition doesn't need outcomes, they only need outputs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

We are getting a taxpayer funded racing track...cheap at $10m tax dollars. Thats an outcome.


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  #1948513 30-Jan-2018 10:33
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Pumpedd:

 

MikeAqua:

 

I wonder what the required run-rate is looking like on the tree and houses? 

 

Recently Twyford was trying to argue on the AM show the trees would provide timber for building the houses.

 

He had to be reminded trees take ~20 years to grow.   I am sure he knows better.  But I think he grasps something several posters on this thread may not: labour don't actually have to deliver. They simply have to convince their voters (many of whom aren't that sharp) they are delivering.  Ditto Winston's voters. 

 

And of course the greens vote has hung in there for decades, largely getting by on sentiment alone.

 

This coalition doesn't need outcomes, they only need outputs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

We are getting a taxpayer funded racing track...cheap at $10m tax dollars. Thats an outcome.

 

 

That's an output.

 

An outcome could be for example fewer horse races cancelled due to bad weather or improved profitability of racing.





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  #1948588 30-Jan-2018 12:38
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MikeAqua:

 

Pumpedd:

 

MikeAqua:

 

I wonder what the required run-rate is looking like on the tree and houses? 

 

Recently Twyford was trying to argue on the AM show the trees would provide timber for building the houses.

 

He had to be reminded trees take ~20 years to grow.   I am sure he knows better.  But I think he grasps something several posters on this thread may not: labour don't actually have to deliver. They simply have to convince their voters (many of whom aren't that sharp) they are delivering.  Ditto Winston's voters. 

 

And of course the greens vote has hung in there for decades, largely getting by on sentiment alone.

 

This coalition doesn't need outcomes, they only need outputs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

We are getting a taxpayer funded racing track...cheap at $10m tax dollars. Thats an outcome.

 

 

That's an output.

 

An outcome could be for example fewer horse races cancelled due to bad weather or improved profitability of racing.

 

 

 

 

Which would free private box entry for life for former Ministers of Racing who think racing is so important it needs a special minister, unlike, say, rugby or soccer be?






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  #1948667 30-Jan-2018 15:35
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I believe racing provides more income for the government. But it is a dieing sport imo.


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