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  #1948683 30-Jan-2018 15:54
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Wow - there's a lot of sour grapes growing in this thread.

 

The proof of that is that most of the whining is about absolute trivia or matters of little consequence.

 

National could have abolished the Minister of racing portfolio, but chose not to.  Who cares?  (not me).

 

TPP has changed. In particular the US is out, along with the IP provisions to favour US Pharmaceutical interests - that was the part of TPP that bothered me most.  Not that I expect much from it to help NZ anyway, as Canada won't suddenly allow NZ dairy imports, Japan won't be buying our beef in bulk, and Australia will probably continue to find ways to not buy our apples. The main benefit to NZ may be if the Trump administration goes completely off the rails and starts trade wars - in which case we'll at least have some formal agreements with many of his enemies - which is a much better idea than sucking up to the orange emperor.

 

National promised to build bridges that were never built, in fact IIRC they took pains to insist that it wasn't a by election bribe when it surely seemed to be, then cynically failed to deliver when they lost.

 

If you harvest trees to build houses, then you can either replant, or choose not to replant. Suggesting that the minister isn't aware that trees take time to grow - and trying to score political points from that assertion - is plain stupid. Not that it's probably a big deal in terms of value to the industry in NZ, as most of the timber I see leaving the port closest to me is unprocessed logs heading for China.  I guess some increased demand locally won't make much of a dent in that.

 

 


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  #1948786 30-Jan-2018 18:31
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Pumpedd:

 

I believe racing provides more income for the government. But it is a dieing sport imo.

 

 

 

 

That would be betting, not racing, I suspect.






 
 
 
 


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  #1948815 30-Jan-2018 18:50
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Interestingly I was surprised in a couple of photos of Ardern this week how much more care-worn she looks already.

 

I've seen this in other political figures before - look at photos of Tony Blair when he was elected and when he left office. Likewise Obama etc.

 

Of course people age anyway but political office does seem to take a toll.








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  #1949072 31-Jan-2018 09:32
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So it seems that making an announcement that at some point in the future, the Government will announce some targets is what passes for "Policy" these days!

 

 

 

Pro tip for Jacinda: The Government already has ministries that reports on various measures of poverty and material hardship.  Policies are the things that you come up with to improve those results.  (Exactly like your "families package")   ...except that you've already told us not to expect anything else like that.

 

 

 

So - what are you actually going to do?   (Besides literally consulting with children)

 

 

There is also a specific requirement to consult ... with children as part of the development of the Government strategy.

 


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  #1949117 31-Jan-2018 10:52
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S&P has done some scoring:

 

 

NZ 'wealthy and resilient' says S&P, Government plan will keep debt in check

 

 

Source

 

 

 

 


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  #1949144 31-Jan-2018 11:23
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Geektastic:

 

Pumpedd:

 

I believe racing provides more income for the government. But it is a dieing sport imo.

 

 

That would be betting, not racing, I suspect.

 

 

Yep.  The government coffers get a sizeable chunk of the revenue from gambling. 





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  #1949175 31-Jan-2018 11:53
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Fred99:

 

S&P has done some scoring:

 

 

NZ 'wealthy and resilient' says S&P, Government plan will keep debt in check

 

Source

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely.

 

"Wealthy & resilient" thanks to careful and skilful management of our Economy over the past decade.  If you think an outcome like that occurs on a national scale in 3months, then there's another conversation that needs to be had :-)

 

 

 

"Government plan will keep debt in check"  of course, the alternative plan was to "reduce debt".  (Which was something that Labour argued for over the past three terms)


 
 
 
 


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  #1949281 31-Jan-2018 14:22
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6FIEND:

 

Fred99:

 

S&P has done some scoring:

 

 

NZ 'wealthy and resilient' says S&P, Government plan will keep debt in check

 

Source

 

 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely.

 

"Wealthy & resilient" thanks to careful and skilful management of our Economy over the past decade.  If you think an outcome like that occurs on a national scale in 3months, then there's another conversation that needs to be had :-)

 

"Government plan will keep debt in check"  of course, the alternative plan was to "reduce debt".  (Which was something that Labour argued for over the past three terms)

 

 

I'd actually extend that from the past decade to almost 3 decades.
With a proviso that under any conceivable government, NZ is (IMO) ill-prepared to weather (probably inevitable) future global financial crisis due to high levels of private debt, much of which is invested in what may prove to have been an unsustainable property bubble.

 

Don't assume I'm a labour voter.  I just don't think Ardern is or ever will be a reason to go around screaming that the sky is about to fall - as many seem to be doing.


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  #1949755 31-Jan-2018 22:25
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I note OP didn't have any criticism of Labour policies only that he might have to wait a bit longer to see some of them implemented.

 

There's an easy fix for that, elect Labour for sucessive terms so all policies can be enacted.


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How many terms will we have to elect them for to achieve the things they've already backtracked on (e.g. housing numbers, forestry targets) in term one? 


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