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#1962141 22-Feb-2018 11:29

GV27:

"Academic thinks 'war-for-profit' is bad in opinion stunner no one saw coming"

Haha.

"Thrice married Wharton graduate pushing hard-right christian morality, doesn't want to talk about offshore business deals that made him rich"

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#1962184 22-Feb-2018 12:27

The division between "all" and "National voters" in the second chart should be heeded in my opinion, Collins and Joyce might be popular with National voters who'll vote for whoever is selected anyway, but probably less effective in attracting swing voters. Bennett should be out the race on that "favourability" poll result.

Nikki Kaye polls as the least divisive candidate with the highest favourabilty and lowest unfavourability.

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#1962276 22-Feb-2018 15:25

If it's not ok to get involved in someone else's war on ideological grounds (e.g. an isis supporter) on the basis of consistency it is also not ok to get involved in someone else's war for personal profit.

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#1963027 23-Feb-2018 15:12

I really like Nikki Kaye and have been following her since her early years in politics. I felt that her recent brush with breast cancer has pushed her views to a further centre right spectrum and with careful public opinion management, will be the the PM at some stage. Much better than JA in every way including public speaking, which is JA's only strong-point at present.

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#1965043 27-Feb-2018 12:52

And so it ends (for now anyway).

Simon Bridges new National Party leader.

Paula Bennett is deputy.

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#1965045 27-Feb-2018 13:03

DaveB:

Simon Bridges - an perfect counter to Jacinda and sure to find a lot of younger votes.

EXCELLENT OUTCOME! (Even if I may say so myself).

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#1965047 27-Feb-2018 13:05

Wonder what happens with Collins now? I almost think she would have been an ideal deputy, someone able to challenge JA without being accused of sexism blah blah.

Problem is her ambition is naked so it will be very interesting to see how she sits in the rankings of the party in the coming weeks.

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#1965061 27-Feb-2018 13:34

He is a little robotic, but I expect given some time he will polish it up and be a strong speaker.

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#1965076 27-Feb-2018 13:47

Top voted comment from elsewhere on the internet:

"That's awesome the nats decided not to challenge labour at the next election. Good on them. We need a bit more bipartisanship."

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#1965096 27-Feb-2018 14:06

Fred99:

Top voted comment from elsewhere on the internet:

"That's awesome the nats decided not to challenge labour at the next election. Good on them. We need a bit more bipartisanship."

I find this stupid to just copy it. Its no more crazy than JA being PM. I could go on to say that they will disintegrate over the next 12 months so National could easily win. But that would make my statement like the one being quoted here.

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#1965103 27-Feb-2018 14:11

Fred99:

Top voted comment from elsewhere on the internet:

"That's awesome the nats decided not to challenge labour at the next election. Good on them. We need a bit more bipartisanship."

Are you quoting it because you agree? Who do you think should have been leader?

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#1965114 27-Feb-2018 14:20

Don't like his speaking voice at all but let us hope he has great success and rids us of the current shower at the earliest opportunity!

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#1965149 27-Feb-2018 14:36

networkn:

Fred99:

Top voted comment from elsewhere on the internet:

"That's awesome the nats decided not to challenge labour at the next election. Good on them. We need a bit more bipartisanship."

Are you quoting it because you agree? Who do you think should have been leader?

No I quoted it because I thought it was an amusing reflection on a sentiment that is out there, whether some people can see it or not.

I'd have probably picked someone from the poll chart above who had a smaller "unfavourable" rating on the chart from the survey poll I posted above.

Not saying that things can't change - and that might be either way, but working toward that needed change in opinion (to gain the high "favourable" rating of say Key or Clark in her prime) while also hoping that the opposition self-destructs, it didn't work for Labour.

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#1965162 27-Feb-2018 15:16

networkn:

Wonder what happens with Collins now?

Is it 'she fumes on the sidelines and undermines the current leadership at every turn, awaiting her chance to back stab them when they are weak' ?

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#1965178 27-Feb-2018 15:27

elpenguino:

networkn:

Wonder what happens with Collins now?

Is it 'she fumes on the sidelines and undermines the current leadership at every turn, awaiting her chance to back stab them when they are weak' ?

No I think she will be clever enough not to do that. She knows that she needs to endear herself to caucus if she is going to get anywhere. While they're working together as a team she knows that she won't have a chance, if things go real bad for National then anything could happen, in the meantime I expect she will be working hard trying to prove herself as a further potential leader.

However, it might be that she so happened to be in politics at the wrong time, when there was too much other talent.

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