I subcribe to a saying which surprises some given I work all day with technology. 

Newer isn't always better, and technology doesn't always make things better.

Pumpedd:

 

Whats more interesting is the deal Greens have done with National during question time in Parliament. Shows even Greens are finding Labour extremely weak.

 

 

 

Deal

 

Labour has shown some quite bad leadership this weak with the Abuse issue and also over the delay in announcing support for the UK over the Russian issue. It seems Winnie couldn't decide so Jacinda had to come in over top of him.

 

It's Gold Cup Week in Cheltenham - I am amazed Winnie wasn't on a 'fact finding' mission to the UK...!

Geektastic:

 

It's Gold Cup Week in Cheltenham - I am amazed Winnie wasn't on a 'fact finding' mission to the UK...!

 

Oh God. All those self entitled skanky bimbos drunk as skunks. Oops, that part of this topic (about drinking too much) has been moved now.

EDIT: Added drinking too much for clarity

Labour announce Terms of Reference of the review into the party's handling of sexual assault allegations.

 

While the party's policies and procedures will be scrutinised on the whole, and in particular Young Labour events, there will be no investigation or findings about the specific sexual assault allegations at the Waihi summer camp last month.

 

Unbelievable.

6FIEND:

 

Labour announce Terms of Reference of the review into the party's handling of sexual assault allegations.

 

 

While the party's policies and procedures will be scrutinised on the whole, and in particular Young Labour events, there will be no investigation or findings about the specific sexual assault allegations at the Waihi summer camp last month.

 

 

Unbelievable.

 

Given that it is subject to a police investigation and possible court action it would seem appropriate for the party to park that with the police until they have done their job.

6FIEND:

 

Labour announce Terms of Reference of the review into the party's handling of sexual assault allegations.

 

 

While the party's policies and procedures will be scrutinised on the whole, and in particular Young Labour events, there will be no investigation or findings about the specific sexual assault allegations at the Waihi summer camp last month.

 

 

Unbelievable.

 

I read this too and was going to post it, but reading below, it's separate to their HANDLING of it which WILL be investigated, but the actual allegations or whether it's true or not, is a police matter. It's a poorly worded article in places. 

I have a problem with it taking 3 months. Just long enough for it to be out of the publics mind. 

A month is a very reasonable amount of time, 6 weeks at most, and if they can't meet it, they should split the investigation into 2 parts, the part about how they handled this event, and a general discussion about how they handle events in general.

rjt123: Coincidentally it's when the baby's due.

I want to believe that's completely coincidental, but I am struggling. This Government seems more shifty to me than I would have thought likely. I don't like their policy, and they seem kind of clueless from time to time, but they didn't necessarily seem sneaky to me. I am not a JA fan, but I must admit I did like her accountability and transparency bit, pity there has been NO evidence of said behaviour to date. 

Nothing will come of this in my opinion. Labour are just doing whatever it takes to appease their critics, but in reality they have already closed the files on this. I am sure they have learned their lesson as have other organisations. I also see no charges coming from the Police other than some sharp criticism. Labour is still so intoxicated with power they will do anything to keep their jobs and positions.

Pumpedd:

 

Nothing will come of this in my opinion. Labour are just doing whatever it takes to appease their critics, but in reality they have already closed the files on this. I am sure they have learned their lesson as have other organisations. I also see no charges coming from the Police other than some sharp criticism. Labour is still so intoxicated with power they will do anything to keep their jobs and positions.

 

There are two sorts of lessons to be learned and I would bet that Labour only learned one. 

The first and probably most important was about how to protect people in general. Not having alcohol available for underage drinkers, probably not a lesson your average hopefully intelligent politician should need to learn in 2018, but giving the benefit of the doubt, ok lesson learned. 

The second lesson is how to handle these things from a management perspective. They have done in my view, what was politically expedient and the evidence overwhelmingly shows that they aren't interested in learning a lesson, because they don't "really" feel they did anything wrong. 

The fact that JA isn't *hopping* mad she was kept out the loop means she neither understands why it was a problem, nor cares about the difference between what she says, and what she does.

This is straight out of the Helen play book - whenever her govt was criticised over a substantive issue she would placate critics with an inquiry. 

By the time the inquiry was complete the public and media had lost interest and no action was required.  I suspect the attention cycle of the public is even shorter now with the increased role of social media.

MikeAqua:

 

This is straight out of the Helen play book - whenever her govt was criticised over a substantive issue she would placate critics with an inquiry. 

 

By the time the inquiry was complete the public and media had lost interest and no action was required.  I suspect the attention cycle of the public is even shorter now with the increased role of social media.

 

and it seems both Aunty Helen and Cullen are having huge influence on these inexperienced parliamentarians. I almost said incapable then. My bad.

DaveB:

 

Geektastic:

 

It's Gold Cup Week in Cheltenham - I am amazed Winnie wasn't on a 'fact finding' mission to the UK...!

 

 

Oh God. All those self entitled skanky bimbos drunk as skunks. Oops, that part of this topic (about drinking too much) has been moved now.

 

EDIT: Added drinking too much for clarity

 

I think you're confusing it with Melbourne...!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the baby is here.

Let the whitewash commence!

Oh - look, it already has...

6FIEND:

 

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the baby is here.

 

Let the whitewash commence!

 

Oh - look, it already has...

 

I *knew* they would do this. They have accused National of Skullduggery and dishonesty for years, yet here is some of the most dishonest and untransparent behaviour of any Government in NZ in my years following politics.