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  Reply # 1977027 15-Mar-2018 11:40
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12013138

 

I can't see anything to disagree with here. Mirrors my written sentiment well.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1977032 15-Mar-2018 11:43
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DaveB:

 

What concerns me most about this whole putrid thread is the easy way that people use and throw around the word ABUSE.

 

Trust me people, most of you (I hope) have NO IDEA of what ABUSE is (regardless of age)

 

 

How do you know what other people have experienced or even what proportion of people have experienced sexual assault when it is believed to be under-reported? 

 

Unless a person says "I have (not) been sexually assaulted" you just don't know.

 

Even using a word like most may not be accurate.





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  Reply # 1977100 15-Mar-2018 12:34
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I am sure both Nats and Labour will reign in their youth branches after this. Like what was said before I think JA showed her weakness with her response to this sage. Waiting so long to make a public statement is simply not done when your own party is guilty of abuse. She cannot have her cake and eat it too.


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  Reply # 1977317 15-Mar-2018 19:26
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Pumpedd:

 

We dont need to have suffered personal sexual abuse experience to have empathy with those abused. As stated a few posts back, this post is not about that. I also dont like the way you classify teenagers as being "stupid and hormonal". You clearly dont get this thread and as to why it is under the heading "Politics"and are too emotionally charged to see things with clarity.

 

No-one here from what I have read has thrown around the word "abuse" in a demeaning way or what I have seen on the media.

 

To have this abuse in a Labour party function and for it to have happened before, and to discuss the consequences the party is taking to ensure this never happens again is the issue.

 

I am concerned by your thread.

 

 

My apologies. I did not notice your reply. Upon reading though, I note that you are quite happy to continue throwing this word ABUSE around, even though this has not yet, been proven. I also note that you state that you are concerned by my thread. Let's be clear here - NOT my thread, but admittedly, my reply.

 

One would hope that you may possibly have the decency to explain why?


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  Reply # 1977328 15-Mar-2018 20:30
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DaveB:

 

Pumpedd:

 

We dont need to have suffered personal sexual abuse experience to have empathy with those abused. As stated a few posts back, this post is not about that. I also dont like the way you classify teenagers as being "stupid and hormonal". You clearly dont get this thread and as to why it is under the heading "Politics"and are too emotionally charged to see things with clarity.

 

No-one here from what I have read has thrown around the word "abuse" in a demeaning way or what I have seen on the media.

 

To have this abuse in a Labour party function and for it to have happened before, and to discuss the consequences the party is taking to ensure this never happens again is the issue.

 

I am concerned by your thread.

 

 

My apologies. I did not notice your reply. Upon reading though, I note that you are quite happy to continue throwing this word ABUSE around, even though this has not yet, been proven. I also note that you state that you are concerned by my thread. Let's be clear here - NOT my thread, but admittedly, my reply.

 

One would hope that you may possibly have the decency to explain why?

 

 

Explain why...hmm...once again you are difficult to fathom. Abuse comes in many forms and you Sir, do not have exclusivity on the word or are the only one who understands what the word means. The sexual abuse in this case against 4 teenagers has been confirmed and admitted by all parties, including 2 of the teens, with at least one having gone to the police after a time of non action by the Labour Party.

 

The reason I am concerned by your thread is that you indicate you have personal abuse issues that may not have been dealt with properly yet. I will not be engaging with you any more on this issue.


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  Reply # 1978312 15-Mar-2018 20:51
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DaveB:

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We dont need to have suffered personal sexual abuse experience to have empathy with those abused. As stated a few posts back, this post is not about that. I also dont like the way you classify teenagers as being "stupid and hormonal". You clearly dont get this thread and as to why it is under the heading "Politics"and are too emotionally charged to see things with clarity.


No-one here from what I have read has thrown around the word "abuse" in a demeaning way or what I have seen on the media.


To have this abuse in a Labour party function and for it to have happened before, and to discuss the consequences the party is taking to ensure this never happens again is the issue.


I am concerned by your thread.



My apologies. I did not notice your reply. Upon reading though, I note that you are quite happy to continue throwing this word ABUSE around, even though this has not yet, been proven. I also note that you state that you are concerned by my thread. Let's be clear here - NOT my thread, but admittedly, my reply.


One would hope that you may possibly have the decency to explain why?



Abuse in any form can vary from minor to serious, but in itself the word "abuse" does not imply the severity of the incident, but merely the nature of it.

While the facts are not known, it would seem that this incident leans towards the minor end of the scale, not the serious end. Not that that in any way excuses the accused, but in the assumption that this was a minor incident, using the word abuse can seem somewhat flippant. And of course it must be remembered that this discussion is more about the labour party and their actions (or lack of) rather than the incident itself.

Invariably a word takes meaning based on our personal circumstances. "Abuse" means to each individual what they personally know of it through their own experience, or what they have seen in others. But to assume that each individual's perception of a word iin any particular situation will be the same, or to assume that my own perception is the only correct perception, is wrong.

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  Reply # 1978342 15-Mar-2018 22:48
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Boom!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12013540

"It was treated as an individual thing that happened between two people, much like if it had happened at a flat party. But it wasn't a flat party. The Prime Minister attended the event, sanctioned by the Labour Party, even if it was run by Young Labour.

"It is a bit hypocritical as a party, seeing as their values are about protecting people and standing up for those who need assistance."




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  Reply # 1978446 16-Mar-2018 09:20
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It's sadly predictable to see Labour's EPMU influence being put to good use at the NZHerald today...

 

This is how the alleged offending is now being portrayed:

 

A drunken yobbo falling over four 16-year-olds and being deeply remorseful and unable to remember the groping the next day isn't something you'd expect the Prime Minister to have to be fronting up to the nation on

 

Remember, this is in the context of fresh allegations of sexual assaults occurring at Labour-organised events almost every day since this story initially broke.


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  Reply # 1978469 16-Mar-2018 10:16
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freitasm:

 

It sounds like this kind of excuse.

 

 

It got worse ....... the millionaire was subsequently found not guiltly




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  Reply # 1978470 16-Mar-2018 10:19
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Thanks @freitasm 

 

"Today I Learned...."

 

 

 

BTW - I realise that this is a sensitive subject for a lot of people.  I am not trying to make light of sexual assault or abuse of any kind here.   I am, however, hugely disappointed with the manner in which these allegations have been handled by the Labour Party.  Their efforts to cover up, deflect, and minimise what appears to be a systemic issue (similar to reports from Russell McVeigh) is leaving a sick taste in my mouth.


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  Reply # 1978518 16-Mar-2018 11:13
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Calling something a Labour anything camp in the first place seems ill thought out. 

 

Barry Sopers article was a disgrace. I now try and avoid his one-sided type of reporting.

 

Apparantenyl there was a large walk-in chiller with unfettered access to alcohol. That should be a criminal matter, but at the very least it would be grounds for employment review and if found responsible, sackings.

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 1978610 16-Mar-2018 13:20
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Stuff Senior Political Reporter Jo Moir tweeted the following yesterday:

 

 

@jo_moir

 

Alleged sexual misconduct complaints still coming in for Labour according to a report from a Christchurch student website but party general secretary will no longer confirm or deny complaints as a new process for dealing with them is about to kick off

 

 

(Emphasis mine)

 

This is appalling.


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