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  #1986761 1-Apr-2018 12:30
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WARNING:  The following cartoon is in Bad Taste ...

 

... as was the rigging of Brexit and the US elections ...

 

 

 





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  #1987860 3-Apr-2018 20:26
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WARNING:  The following cartoon is in Bad Taste ...

 

... as was the rigging of Brexit and the US elections ...

 

 

Oh dear ...... well found lol


 
 
 
 


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  #1994137 11-Apr-2018 10:06
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Is anyone really surprised by all of this?  I've always assumed something like this was going on.  If service is free, the user is being sold and eventually someone will find way to exploit that.





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  #1994695 12-Apr-2018 10:38
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  #1994699 12-Apr-2018 11:09
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"Zuckerborg" 

 


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  #2006876 3-May-2018 08:15
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It's all OK folks - Cambridge Analytica are closing down - Zuckerberg has put on his sincere face and promised to clean up his act - and a "loose coalition of billionaires" will no longer be harvesting your data, then targeting you with personalised political propaganda in order to corrupt the democratic process. 

 

 

  • The power players behind Cambridge Analytica have set up a new company – and the daughters of Donald Trump-supporting billionaire Robert Mercer have just joined as directors.
  • Rebekah and Jennifer Mercer joined Emerdata on March 16, but it is shrouded in mystery.
  • Alexander Nix, the suspended CEO of Cambridge Analytica, is also a director, as well as other executives from parent firm SCL Group.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2007961 4-May-2018 16:26
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Fred99:

 

It's all OK folks - Cambridge Analytica are closing down - Zuckerberg has put on his sincere face and promised to clean up his act - and a "loose coalition of billionaires" will no longer be harvesting your data, then targeting you with personalised political propaganda in order to corrupt the democratic process. 

 

 

  • The power players behind Cambridge Analytica have set up a new company – and the daughters of Donald Trump-supporting billionaire Robert Mercer have just joined as directors.
  • Rebekah and Jennifer Mercer joined Emerdata on March 16, but it is shrouded in mystery.
  • Alexander Nix, the suspended CEO of Cambridge Analytica, is also a director, as well as other executives from parent firm SCL Group.

 

 

And starting up as Emerdata: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/02/cambridge_analytica_shutdown/

 

So just changing names not changing business.





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  #2007966 4-May-2018 16:34
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Maybe this thread should be renamed Cambridge Analytica recovered, as in both restored and covered up again.

 

 





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Rikkitic:

 

Maybe this thread should be renamed Cambridge Analytica recovered, as in both restored and covered up again.

 

 

It was superb journalism exposing what Cambridge Analytica did, the links to Facebook and to the people behind Cambridge Analytica - an assortment of highly politically active oligarchs (the Mercers) and Bannon - with his obvious connection to the new US establishment and quasi-religious ideology.

 

But here we are a month or so later, some people may be a little more aware and cautious, a few people may have abandoned Facebook, many probably said they were going to quit and/or exercise more caution on line but haven't changed at all, most people seem to shrug and get on with it - perhaps they think that due to Zuckerberg's po-faced semi-sincere promise to "do better" things, then something has fundamentally changed.

 

Even worse is that regardless of whether the Mercers and the rest of that dirty tricks brigade manage to resurrect a replacement propaganda machine, they've clearly demonstrated to others who will be tempted to use it, that social media can be successfully used as a relatively low-cost method to influence public opinion, that can evade what protections there may be in place such as campaign finance regulations, disclosure regulations on political advertisements, and those campaigns can continue to be used to divide and influence people to vote directly against their own best interests, and for the benefit of a few wealthy oligarchs - be that to redistribute even more wealth to the already rich and influential, or to help elect authoritarian regimes that will tilt away from secularism and toward their perverted religious/moral views.

 

 

 

 


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  #2008838 6-May-2018 18:37
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Fred99:

 

It was superb journalism exposing what Cambridge Analytica did, the links to Facebook and to the people behind Cambridge Analytica - an assortment of highly politically active oligarchs (the Mercers) and Bannon - with his obvious connection to the new US establishment and quasi-religious ideology.

 

But here we are a month or so later, some people may be a little more aware and cautious, a few people may have abandoned Facebook .....  etc etc ,

 

 

As I said a few pages back ..... "I struggle to understand the "faux" shock expressed by some".

 

It has been going on for years. It's called advertising. Hey, along with those dreaded right wingers, even the lefties and libbies do it!

 

Guess what? Even you do it Fred with your comments in the Trump thread. The only difference is that you believe what you say and CA are paid to sway opinion. They are doing it on behalf of those that can afford to pay and guess what again? Yep - righties, lefties and libbies.

 

Yes it was great journalism but a rebrand should be of no surprise. But we will again have this same conversation in 10 years time, just like we did 7 or 8 years ago when Facebook first took off. That is social media for you.

 

I think as long as people are aware.


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  #2008872 6-May-2018 18:59
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You tried the same thing on me. Goading your opponents is also straight out of the Trump playbook. I don't see a lot of difference here.

 

 





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DaveB:

 

Fred99:

 

It was superb journalism exposing what Cambridge Analytica did, the links to Facebook and to the people behind Cambridge Analytica - an assortment of highly politically active oligarchs (the Mercers) and Bannon - with his obvious connection to the new US establishment and quasi-religious ideology.

 

But here we are a month or so later, some people may be a little more aware and cautious, a few people may have abandoned Facebook .....  etc etc ,

 

 

As I said a few pages back ..... "I struggle to understand the "faux" shock expressed by some".

 

It has been going on for years. It's called advertising. Hey, along with those dreaded right wingers, even the lefties and libbies do it!

 

Guess what? Even you do it Fred with your comments in the Trump thread. The only difference is that you believe what you say and CA are paid to sway opinion. They are doing it on behalf of those that can afford to pay and guess what again? Yep - righties, lefties and libbies.

 

Yes it was great journalism but a rebrand should be of no surprise. But we will again have this same conversation in 10 years time, just like we did 7 or 8 years ago when Facebook first took off. That is social media for you.

 

I think as long as people are aware.

 

 

I beg to differ:

 

Advertising has been going on for years, but there are in most countries laws requiring disclosure when an "article" in a media publication is an advertisement, and strict laws regarding disclosure of political campaign advertising.  Sure we've had "dog whistling" as well as shill websites, blogs etc.

 

No - I don't do it Dave - not even close - with my comments in the Trump thread, as well as the fact that I'm not paid and I expect that most people here are smart enough to work out for better or worse, I'm only expressing a personal opinion. My comments are not individually targeted and delivered to provoke an emotional response, and if challenged over a mistake or fact I'll usually respond - as I am now. Everybody reading this thread sees the same message.

 

I agree that a rebrand should be no surprise, and for sure - as long as people are aware.  But the thing is - they are not aware, few seem to care at all, and as was shown in the CA exposee, if the people being targeted by this propaganda become aware, then the propaganda has failed.

 

Data harvesting techniques and psychometric analysis will get better, targeting will become more subtle, and you won't be aware why you feel the way you do about "issues" - only that you do feel, strongly.

 

It needs to be nailed.

 

I'm interested why you'd post what you have above, as I'm somewhat suspicious that despite your denials that you're a "Trump Supporter", you seem fixated on pushing the opinion that Trump supporters (including CA etc) are doing nothing worse than what "lefties" and "libbies" do.

 

Perhaps to start, you could tell us what a "libbie" is?


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Fred99:

 

I'm interested why you'd post what you have above, as I'm somewhat suspicious that despite your denials that you're a "Trump Supporter", you seem fixated on pushing the opinion that Trump supporters (including CA etc) are doing nothing worse than what "lefties" and "libbies" do.

 

Perhaps to start, you could tell us what a "libbie" is?

 

 

I agree with your comment about disclosure around traditional media political advertising, but I guess I am talking about subtle (and not so subtle) persuasion in traditional media and social media. Go look up the same story in a number of UK newspapers or look at the same story on various US TV channels and recognize the different twists, spins and bull.

 

"Targeted advertising" within Facebook users has been well understood for a number of years and the potential for targeted influence has been discussed in advertising circles for about the same time. Facebook users have also been warned of the potential of undue influence a few times in UK and US media. Influence / Advertising - it's a very fine line.

 

I quite enjoy some of your personal comments in the Trump thread, just like I quite enjoy reading other's (sometimes) opposing point of view. You need that in order to have healthy debate. Good to note that you reiterated my comment (albeit in a slightly different way) -  "The only difference is that you believe what you say and CA are paid to sway opinion. They are doing it on behalf of those that can afford to pay and guess what again? Yep - righties, lefties and libbies". So I am not quite sure why you felt challenged.

 

We agree about the rebrand being no surprise and I agree with you that few seem to care. We are in similar age groups so maybe we are at an age where we are surprised that many have not taken heed of the warnings both before and after these event. I also agree, lets call it for what it is - propaganda. And let's also agree that propaganda is also all around us. Most people believe they are too clever to be influenced by propaganda. Sorry, but that is their problem. I'm sure that protectionism is not a good solution for this.

 

You can be as suspicious as you like about what you think could be my political leanings. I certainly do not like Trump the character and believe that Trump the President is dangerous and divisive. I previously classed myself as a libby (a liberal) although I am finding that to be a little embarrassing nowadays as Liberalism now seems to be all about shutting down any alternative point of view. And to me, that is a sign of ignorance, arrogance and weakness. 

 

So back to CA or as Rikitic pointed out "CA recovered". We can moan about this all we like, but we were all warned this was going to happen. And I have no doubt it will happen again and is going on somewhere as I type this. And I have no doubt that there are numerous other companies throughout the world doing exactly the same thing. But let's be realistic - it is not a right wing conspiracy.

 

 


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DaveB:

 

 

 

So back to CA or as Rikitic pointed out "CA recovered". We can moan about this all we like, but we were all warned this was going to happen. And I have no doubt it will happen again and is going on somewhere as I type this. And I have no doubt that there are numerous other companies throughout the world doing exactly the same thing. But let's be realistic - it is not a right wing conspiracy.

 

 

Oh for goodness sake!

 

It actually is exactly that - a right wing conspiracy.  Not a conspiracy "theory" - it's the real deal.  If you think that a highly successful coordinated assault and propaganda campaign on social media to further conservative causes, funded by billionaire Robert Mercer and/or daughters, intimately tied to the GOP, involving characters like Steve Bannon, funding organisations like Breitbart, is not a genuine conspiracy, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

It is a right-wing conspiracy - and you're absolutely coming across as an apologist for that.

 

So please cut your compliments to me about some of the things I say as if I'm some sucker for that, and argue honestly.

 

Please also stop including me (probably others) by referring to us as "we" when expressing opinion.  I'll speak for myself - and suggest you do the same.

 

 

 

 


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