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  Reply # 2017735 17-May-2018 15:29
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(Re. the attack on the computers at the WINZ office.)

 

The only physical casualty maybe, but extremely traumatic for the staff at the WINZ Office. Just as bad as some thug threatening petrol station staff with say, a hammer, to get tobacco and cash.

 

And if the PC destroying guy did one of those ancestry dna test kits I wonder what it would show. Maybe if the results indicated that he had very strong links back to to England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, etc, as well as his Maori ancestry, he would start to question why he was identifying as Maori to such a strong degree.

 

This is the 'elephant' in the room regarding the treaty settlements that none of the politicians want to talk about likewise the media.

 

 

 

 

It wasn't directed at the staff, his rage was directed at the system and the physical presence of that system was the PCs . The ordering of the new PCs certainly hit the budget. As for teh rest of your post I have no idea what you are getting at.





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https://www.gpforums.co.nz/threads/387620-What-constitutes-being-Maori/page3

 

There was a long and lively discussion on this forum, I think eight years ago. What I am saying is that now DNA kits are far more affordable and widespread in use, it might throw some light on the subject.

 

 

 

 

Oh dear me, it has nothing to do with DNA percentages.





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  Reply # 2017740 17-May-2018 15:35

This is what the original poster on that forum had to say about the issue ..

 

https://www.gpforums.co.nz/threads/387620-What-constitutes-being-Maori

 

 

 

'I want to discuss what constitutes being a Maori and then the obvious pitfalls of applying privileges & laws to such possibly ill defined identities. Im not a bigot, Im just thinking about it philosophically.
Point being in 50 years, surely over a million Kiwis could identify themselves in one way or another as being partially Maori. The irony is 90% of their ancestral line would be of the very same people that colonized New Zealand. I just dont know how to approach this situation rationally. It certainly is not rational now where anyone who simply claims to be Maori is considered so.

 

EDIT: Please dont acuse me as being racist or anything, I support Maori culture/rights etc. Hell im even probably going to marry one (not that that proves much). I am just interested in the imminent grey areas and how the government plans to iron them out.'


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There was a long and lively discussion on this forum, I think eight years ago. What I am saying is that now DNA kits are far more affordable and widespread in use, it might throw some light on the subject.

 

 

That depends on what kind of light you are trying to cast. Cultural (not racial) identity is based on a lot of components, none of them having to do with DNA. One component might be your physical appearance if it causes others in your society to regard you differently than they regard each other. But in today's world people can inherit a dark skin and certain facial features from many sources. It doesn't matter what DNA says. What matters is how others perceive you and treat you and how this makes you feel. Getting a DNA test so you can carry a card around to show bullies that you are not really Maori (or vice-versa) won't make a damned bit of difference.

 

What matters is not how much of what DNA you happen to have in your blood. What matters is how you grow up, how you identify, and how you are treated. That is all that matters. I know a mixed race couple. The woman has Scottish heritage and is as blond as they come. The man looks completely Maori but actually has a big chunk of Swedish ancestry from a visiting whaler. They have a daughter who looks completely Maori. The daughter has a daughter with the blondest hair and bluest eyes and whitest skin I have ever seen. You wouldn't think for a moment that there could be the faintest trace of colour in her. The father and daughter grew up with no knowledge of or interest in their Maori heritage, but they got discriminated against anyway. The daughter's daughter will never be seen for Maori, not even by her own iwi. If she decides to connect with her Maori identity, she will have a very tough time of it. But she will never experience the kind of discrimination her mother did. What does DNA have to say about that?

 

If your only point is that you want to use DNA to devalue the claims of those who identify as Maori, then shame on you. That is racism, pure and simple.

 

  





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  Reply # 2017768 17-May-2018 16:06

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amiga500:

 

There was a long and lively discussion on this forum, I think eight years ago. What I am saying is that now DNA kits are far more affordable and widespread in use, it might throw some light on the subject.

 

 

That depends on what kind of light you are trying to cast. Cultural (not racial) identity is based on a lot of components, none of them having to do with DNA. One component might be your physical appearance if it causes others in your society to regard you differently than they regard each other. But in today's world people can inherit a dark skin and certain facial features from many sources. It doesn't matter what DNA says. What matters is how others perceive you and treat you and how this makes you feel. Getting a DNA test so you can carry a card around to show bullies that you are not really Maori (or vice-versa) won't make a damned bit of difference.

 

What matters is not how much of what DNA you happen to have in your blood. What matters is how you grow up, how you identify, and how you are treated. That is all that matters. I know a mixed race couple. The woman has Scottish heritage and is as blond as they come. The man looks completely Maori but actually has a big chunk of Swedish ancestry from a visiting whaler. They have a daughter who looks completely Maori. The daughter has a daughter with the blondest hair and bluest eyes and whitest skin I have ever seen. You wouldn't think for a moment that there could be the faintest trace of colour in her. The father and daughter grew up with no knowledge of or interest in their Maori heritage, but they got discriminated against anyway. The daughter's daughter will never be seen for Maori, not even by her own iwi. If she decides to connect with her Maori identity, she will have a very tough time of it. But she will never experience the kind of discrimination her mother did. What does DNA have to say about that?

 

If your only point is that you want to use DNA to devalue the claims of those who identify as Maori, then shame on you. That is racism, pure and simple.

 

 

 

  

 

 

The O.P. at that forum, the guy who wrote a thoughtful and respectful question got accused of that too. My view is very similar to his.

 

That's really all I have to say on this for now.


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