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Fred99
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  #2034546 12-Jun-2018 16:33
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MikeB4:

 

Wiggum:

 

Winston Peters prepares for his moment on the throne

 

The term "banana republic" comes to mind.. Only thing is we not a republic... Suddenly President Trump is looking oh so fine ....

 

 

 

 

I don't believe NZ meets the economic or political definitions of a "Banana republic"

 

 

Or climatic - lest Trump's Great America warms the planet up much faster than predicted.


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  #2034562 12-Jun-2018 17:37
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Fred99:

 

Or climatic - lest Trump's Great America warms the planet up much faster than predicted.

 

 

We had a couple of banana plants when I lived in the BOP (near Tauranga).  Production was patchy, but we did get bananas most years.





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  #2034564 12-Jun-2018 17:39
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I haven't got a lot of time for Winston. He is a pain in the arse politically and he panders to a voter base who have had it good and insist on their right to bleed the country dry for more money when other people need it far more. 

 

However he is a statesman as much as he is a politician. He's not going to Muldoon the country into the abyss over a six week period. He'll try to be a steady hand and give himself something to look back on fondly once he's old(er) and sipping (even more) whiskeys up North. I just don't think he has anything to prove to anyone other than himself and he gains nothing by being Opposition Winston when he's acting PM. 


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  #2034573 12-Jun-2018 18:36
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MikeAqua:

 

Fred99:

 

Or climatic - lest Trump's Great America warms the planet up much faster than predicted.

 

 

We had a couple of banana plants when I lived in the BOP (near Tauranga).  Production was patchy, but we did get bananas most years.

 

 

Ha!

 

I'm trying to imagine Peters in military uniform, tunic plastered in medals and gold braid, with a banana plantation as a background - but in my mind all I see is him standing in a kiwifruit orchard wearing a snappy dark suit decorated with cigarette ash patches.


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  #2034689 12-Jun-2018 22:44
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MikeB4:

 

Wiggum:

 

Winston Peters prepares for his moment on the throne

 

The term "banana republic" comes to mind.. Only thing is we not a republic... Suddenly President Trump is looking oh so fine ....

 

 

 

 

I don't believe NZ meets the economic or political definitions of a "Banana republic"

 

 

 

 

Give them a chance, Mike. They have only been in half a year. These things take time you know!






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  #2035921 13-Jun-2018 12:16
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MikeAqua:

 

I think he will be extremely well behaved.  When in power he generally conducts himself professionally.

 

 

Such as by suing his own government?

 

 

Funded by us taxpayers. I guess its his right, but if he loses his case does that mean we should be seeking to recover the full costs of his legal bill? I think so. 


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  #2035939 13-Jun-2018 12:58
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@Wiggum are you sure the tax payers are picking up his legal bills for the court case?


 
 
 
 


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  #2035942 13-Jun-2018 13:19
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@Wiggum are you sure the tax payers are picking up his legal bills for the court case?

 

 

The government is really the taxpayer. it really does not matter which way you look at it.

 

I very much doubt he will be paying for it himself? If he loses, I sure hope they go after him to recover some of this money.

 

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/06/12/118327/deputy-pm-seeks-million-plus-from-state

 

Peters is about to become Acting Prime Minister yet one of his listed targets is Attorney General David Parker who sits with him in the cabinet room.

 

The Solicitor General's department, Crown Law, will now have to defend the ministers and departmental chiefs - all at taxpayers' expense if the current cabinet allows funding for the National ex-ministers.


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  #2035949 13-Jun-2018 13:38
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@Wiggum I am not sure what you are getting at here, are you saying that the tax payer is funding his case because part of his income is paid by the Government? If the case was being paid directly from Government funds that would have to be declared. My understanding is that Winston Peters is suing as Winston Peters,citizen and not Winston Peters Deputy PM which he has a right to do so.


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  #2035952 13-Jun-2018 13:43
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@Wiggum I am not sure what you are getting at here, are you saying that the tax payer is funding his case because part of his income is paid by the Government? If the case was being paid directly from Government funds that would have to be declared. My understanding is that Winston Peters is suing as Winston Peters,citizen and not Winston Peters Deputy PM which he has a right to do so.

 

 

 

 

If he is suing the government, then taxpayers will be paying the lawyers involved in defending the government, the salaries of ministers and staff whose time is wasted dealing with it instead of working and so on and so forth.






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  #2035957 13-Jun-2018 13:51
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@Wiggum I am not sure what you are getting at here, are you saying that the tax payer is funding his case because part of his income is paid by the Government? If the case was being paid directly from Government funds that would have to be declared. My understanding is that Winston Peters is suing as Winston Peters,citizen and not Winston Peters Deputy PM which he has a right to do so.

 

 

@MikeB4? Who runs this government that Mr Peters is suing?

 

If he is doing it as a "private citizen" then surely this should happen in his personal time? Who is paying for a defense team?

 

Here we have a newly acting Prime Minister and his very first act is to sue his own government, and our most senior civil servant. He should be focused on government, and New Zealand (ie doing his job as PM), not personal issues. Very bad political move by Winston don't you think?


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  #2035961 13-Jun-2018 14:05
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@Geektastic yes he is suing the Government which he has a right to do so and if he wins the case he has the right to be compensated. If he loses the defendants have the right to ask the court to award costs.

 

@Wiggum it is irrelevant who is running the government that Mr Peters is suing. If I read you correctly by being in Government Mr Peters should forgo his rights, now that would be a bad political move. As for the defense team that will be paid for by the defendants which is normal in any legal case.

 

Given how long it takes for these cases to get to court, The PM will probably be back in the Beehive and Winston Peters will again be Deputy PM. If his employer requires him to take leave to do the case then so be it. 


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@Wiggum it is irrelevant who is running the government that Mr Peters is suing. If I read you correctly by being in Government Mr Peters should forgo his rights, now that would be a bad political move. As for the defense team that will be paid for by the defendants which is normal in any legal case.

 

 

Maybe its irrelevant. But its still comically amusing that he is suing his own government. Does not matter how I try and look at it, its politically absurd.

 

As for Mr peters forgoing his rights... Nice straw-man there Mike. I did not say say or imply that, as I said above its his right! If he wants to pursue with his madness of suing his own government, then maybe he should do that on his own watch, ie outside of business hours would be a good start. Or take leave without pay to do it.

 

 


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  #2035965 13-Jun-2018 14:26
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MikeB4:

 

@Wiggum it is irrelevant who is running the government that Mr Peters is suing. If I read you correctly by being in Government Mr Peters should forgo his rights, now that would be a bad political move. As for the defense team that will be paid for by the defendants which is normal in any legal case.

 

 

Maybe its irrelevant. But its still comically amusing that he is suing his own government. Does not matter how I try and look at it, its politically absurd.

 

As for Mr peters forgoing his rights... Nice straw-man there Mike. I did not say say or imply that, as I said above its his right! If he wants to pursue with his madness of suing his own government, then maybe he should do that on his own watch, ie outside of business hours would be a good start. Or take leave without pay to do it.

 

 

 

 

 Some crystal ball gazing here, what will be your attitude if Mr Peters wins his case and is awarded substantial compensation by the Court?


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  #2036023 13-Jun-2018 16:17
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MikeB4:

 

Wiggum:

 

MikeB4:

 

@Wiggum it is irrelevant who is running the government that Mr Peters is suing. If I read you correctly by being in Government Mr Peters should forgo his rights, now that would be a bad political move. As for the defense team that will be paid for by the defendants which is normal in any legal case.

 

 

Maybe its irrelevant. But its still comically amusing that he is suing his own government. Does not matter how I try and look at it, its politically absurd.

 

As for Mr peters forgoing his rights... Nice straw-man there Mike. I did not say say or imply that, as I said above its his right! If he wants to pursue with his madness of suing his own government, then maybe he should do that on his own watch, ie outside of business hours would be a good start. Or take leave without pay to do it.

 

 

 

 

 Some crystal ball gazing here, what will be your attitude if Mr Peters wins his case and is awarded substantial compensation by the Court?

 

 

 

 

Mine would be that he should not be awarded anything. He's a politician, who volunteered to be under scrutiny and was aware of all that may entail, such as allegedly being the subject of leaks regarding allegedly dodgy practices. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.






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