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Rikkitic
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  #2043428 25-Jun-2018 09:55
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Wow. The usual right-wing lobby making the usual whinges. It is funny seeing who is posting here and what they are saying. Talk about history repeating itself! Maybe it is time to think of some new knee-jerk responses to Labour and the unions.

 

 





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  #2043440 25-Jun-2018 10:23
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Rikkitic:

 

Wow. The usual right-wing lobby making the usual whinges. It is funny seeing who is posting here and what they are saying. Talk about history repeating itself! Maybe it is time to think of some new knee-jerk responses to Labour and the unions.

 

 

This is the most ironic post in the history of irony. 


 
 
 
 


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  #2043542 25-Jun-2018 13:47
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Rikkitic:

 

Wow. The usual right-wing lobby making the usual whinges. It is funny seeing who is posting here and what they are saying. Talk about history repeating itself! Maybe it is time to think of some new knee-jerk responses to Labour and the unions.

 

 

You just keep on playing the man instead of playing the ball...

 

Meanwhile - another week, another strike under the 6th Labour government.  They must be chuffed.


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  #2043544 25-Jun-2018 13:53
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What does that strike have to do with the Labour Government? This is a contract dispute between Etu members and a private company.


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  #2043551 25-Jun-2018 14:02
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Varkk:

 

What does that strike have to do with the Labour Government? This is a contract dispute between Etu members and a private company.

 

 

The New Zealand Labour Party is for all intents and purposes the political wing of the Council of Trade Unions.





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  #2043553 25-Jun-2018 14:05
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Lias:

 

Varkk:

 

What does that strike have to do with the Labour Government? This is a contract dispute between Etu members and a private company.

 

 

The New Zealand Labour Party is for all intents and purposes the political wing of the Council of Trade Unions.

 

 

How many strikes did we see under National in the last 9 years? I'm sure I could count them on one hand. Anybody have the numbers?


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  #2043555 25-Jun-2018 14:09
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Lias:

 

Varkk:

 

What does that strike have to do with the Labour Government? This is a contract dispute between Etu members and a private company.

 

 

The New Zealand Labour Party is for all intents and purposes the political wing of the Council of Trade Unions.

 

 

There is no formal link between the CTU and the NZ Labour Party


 
 
 
 


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  #2043556 25-Jun-2018 14:11
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Wiggum:

 

Lias:

 

Varkk:

 

What does that strike have to do with the Labour Government? This is a contract dispute between Etu members and a private company.

 

 

The New Zealand Labour Party is for all intents and purposes the political wing of the Council of Trade Unions.

 

 

How many strikes did we see under National in the last 9 years? I'm sure I could count them on one hand. Anybody have the numbers?

 

 

 

 

Strike is a legitimate part of the contract process as is lock out


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  #2043558 25-Jun-2018 14:16
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Lias:

 

Varkk:

 

What does that strike have to do with the Labour Government? This is a contract dispute between Etu members and a private company.

 

 

The New Zealand Labour Party is for all intents and purposes the political wing of the Council of Trade Unions.

 

 

The New Zealand National Party is for all intents and purposes the political wing of the Business Round Table.

 

 

 

Also Etu is not formally associated with the Labour party, and are very limited in what they can do in terms of advocating for a particular party.


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  #2043559 25-Jun-2018 14:17
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6FIEND:

 

You just keep on playing the man instead of playing the ball...

 

 

Not at all. I was merely commenting on the gabble from the chook house. 

 

Strikes are a legal and legitimate form of protest action enshrined in modern liberal democracies. The withdrawal of labour is one of the few pressure mechanisms available to workers seeking to improve their wages and working conditions. I'm not sure what you and the rest of the flock have against them. Workers fought long and hard bloody battles to win the right to strike. 

 

 





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Might not be any formal links, but the CTU and Labour are about as linked as Sinn Fein and the IRA lol.

 

As for striking, you say legitimate part of the process, I say a legalised way of blackmailing employers. Striking should be illegal, as should collective agreements and probably unions in general. They exist to protect the deadwood and nothing else.





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  #2043565 25-Jun-2018 14:23
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Lias:

 

Might not be any formal links, but the CTU and Labour are about as linked as Sinn Fein and the IRA lol.

 

As for striking, you say legitimate part of the process, I say a legalised way of blackmailing employers. Striking should be illegal, as should collective agreements and probably unions in general. They exist to protect the deadwood and nothing else.

 

 

 

 

Do you also believe that lockout is also blackmailing?


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  #2043570 25-Jun-2018 14:35
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Collective bargaining and unions are how the workers can address the power imbalance when dealing with an employer. Sometimes the withholding of labour is the only bargaining chip the workers have so they have to use it. It should be noted in the Etu and Premier Bacon dispute they aren't going on strike. But are refusing to do overtime beyond their contractual hours.

 

As for deadwood, I have seen just as much deadwood in non-unionised work places as unionised ones.


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  #2043574 25-Jun-2018 14:38
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Lias:

 

Might not be any formal links, but the CTU and Labour are about as linked as Sinn Fein and the IRA lol.

 

As for striking, you say legitimate part of the process, I say a legalised way of blackmailing employers. Striking should be illegal, as should collective agreements and probably unions in general. They exist to protect the deadwood and nothing else.

 

 

You're advocating authoritarian totalitarianism / abolition of rights for freedom of association.

 

We all know where that leads...


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Fred99:

 

Lias:

 

Might not be any formal links, but the CTU and Labour are about as linked as Sinn Fein and the IRA lol.

 

As for striking, you say legitimate part of the process, I say a legalised way of blackmailing employers. Striking should be illegal, as should collective agreements and probably unions in general. They exist to protect the deadwood and nothing else.

 

 

You're advocating authoritarian totalitarianism / abolition of rights for freedom of association.

 

We all know where that leads...

 

 

Workers already have the right to down tools, and find work elsewhere if they not happy. I have never understood the logic behind workers unions. If you not happy where you are, move along and be done with it. There is your freedom. nobody is forcing you to work.

 

Strikes work in the short term only, strikes = higher wages. But in the long term, corporations will simply move production from higher wage countries, to lower wage countries. Plenty of examples of that in Aus/NZ.

 

 


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