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  Reply # 2052471 10-Jul-2018 10:14
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I believe that banning speakers is an exceptionally poor decision.  I feel that it gives unmerited legitimacy to whatever hateful/extremist material was in question.  i.e.  The government (Council in this case) is effectively saying that their message was going to be so compelling, so powerful and so ironclad that there is a real risk that the general population would be unable to see through it, unable to debate and ultimately refute it's claims.  That the only way to prevent the ideology from spreading/infecting New Zealand is for the speakers to be silenced.  For the books to be burned.  For the Internet to be filtered.

 

 

Very well said. Banning things seldom works IMO. Its almost always touted as a solution to a problem, yet banning will almost always ignore the underlying issues in the first place. Banning undesirable behavior or ideology, and even items that represent these things is an attempt to forcibly control human behavior. It just just drives these behaviors underground. Best to have it out in the open, yes even if its ugly IMO.

 

Slightly off topic but growing up I recall how cool it was to have a copy of that CD which was banned. Everybody wanted to get their hands on it. All the cool kids had it! Was it because the music was good? Not really. It was because there was some sort of fulfillment in having a copy of something that was "banned". When we young we like to rebel. What are we doing to our younger generation if we try and keep these things away from them? Instead, let these morons make a public fool of themselves, and we all get to talk about it.


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  Reply # 2052474 10-Jul-2018 10:16
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freitasm: Presumably I also run the site. I am against extremists. I have seen some comments here that make me think quite a few people are spending too much time defending this scum of humankind to be on this community.

 

 

 

We agree that extremists are bad. They are equally bad, IMO, regardless of which side of the political spectrum they sit or which single issue they are extreme about. 

 

 

 

Whether their extremity ought to be hidden in dark shadow or bathed in the light of reason is a different matter.






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freitasm: Presumably I also run the site. I am against extremists. I have seen some comments here that make me think quite a few people are spending too much time defending this scum of humankind to be on this community.

 

We agree that extremists are bad. They are equally bad, IMO, regardless of which side of the political spectrum they sit or which single issue they are extreme about. 

 

Whether their extremity ought to be hidden in dark shadow or bathed in the light of reason is a different matter.

 

 

Nope.  Fascism is in a special category of extremism, comparable to jihadism, bolshevist revolutionaries etc.

 

Southern is a fascist.  "Identarianism", "Race Realism", and promoting a concept of "pan-Western" ultra-nationalism are fascist concepts, they're dangerous, they seem to have a growing following, and they have carried out "direct actions" based on their fascist principles.

 

Southern herself isn't a great fan of Hitler, because she reckons he was a "socialist",  that he was just a "SJW", and "fawned over Muslims more sycophantically than Justin Trudeau".

 

Yes - she's an ignorant idiot - but that's not an excuse - and no comfort.

 

 


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  Reply # 2052510 10-Jul-2018 11:03
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Southern herself isn't a great fan of Hitler, because she reckons he was a "socialist",  that he was just a "SJW", and "fawned over Muslims more sycophantically than Justin Trudeau".

 

 

Funny because his party adopted the moniker "Socialist" to appeal to those Germans who were attracted to the communist ideals in between wars. The NSDAP was not a "socialist" party by definition and the regime was autocratic.





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And with that we lock the thread. Since this is going that way, yes, alt-right basically adopts lots of the Nazi ideology, it's despicable and deplorable.





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