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  Reply # 2068936 6-Aug-2018 20:05
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Could someone please post links to some YouTube clips supporting all racist/fascist claims?

 

I've watched their YouTube clips for maybe a 30 minutes in total and failed to locate the hate speech. So far I'd call them ethnic conservatives but not racist and especially not fascist. They seemed to have fairly rational approach to their subjects although I haven't have time to check the validity of all their supporting claims. No sign of hate speech either this far (in their YouTube clips)

 

So for sure the posters who passionately have labelled them as racist/facist, have some clearly damning evidence to back their claim? As I said, I've managed to go through only a fraction of their material, so pointing out their hate speech would be much appreciated.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2068945 6-Aug-2018 20:18
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They appeared on 'Sunday' program tvnz last night. I will attempt to find a clip for this and quote exactly. In the meantime I will paraphrase:

The interviewer asked Molyneux - what is your best argument against multiculturalism? Molyneaux replied - because the IQ differences between races/cultures.

That seems to me to be unmitigated racial-ism. Some people will see much more than racialism in that to say the least. I may expand later. As I said the quote is a paraphrase for now. I assume the interview is available on the tvnz on demand service.

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  Reply # 2068947 6-Aug-2018 20:19
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There seems to be a bunch of these accounts featuring people who either rarely post and/or are reasonably newly registered. Despite finding a forum such as this one, they apparently lack the basic internet search engine skills required to locate the offensive materials/behaviours produced by the two ugly trolls. Look, let's just stick with Southern's joining of a bunch who tried to interfere with an NGO ship trying to search for migrants lost in the Mediterranean or her deliberately wearing a shirt in the UK saying that Allah is a gay god. All of these things and her many other offensive and despicable stunts can be readily found by applying a bit of effort. The idea that anyone needs others to bring forth the evidence is nothing but BS.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2068979 6-Aug-2018 21:41
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MagicSquirrel:

 

Could someone please post links to some YouTube clips supporting all racist/fascist claims?

 

 

Here is another idea: Why don't you provide some links to things these people have said and done that show why you regard them as role models?

 

They are just two-dollar lays who have found a way to make easy money by saying things dumb people want to hear. 

 

 





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  Reply # 2069107 7-Aug-2018 09:05
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Rikkitic:

 

MagicSquirrel:

 

Could someone please post links to some YouTube clips supporting all racist/fascist claims?

 

 

Here is another idea: Why don't you provide some links to things these people have said and done that show why you regard them as role models?

 

They are just two-dollar lays who have found a way to make easy money by saying things dumb people want to hear. 

 

 

 

 

Hmm.. where did I say they are my role models??
You need to stop projecting your prejudices on people, seriously.

 

As a person who makes his mind based on facts and proof, instead of ranting by random people on random internet forums, I would like to see on what all these racist/faschist/hate speech comments are based on.
Based on the 30 minutes I spent with this couple's Youtube channels, I'd label them as conservatives, not as racist or fascist. 
Some posters here however are so certain that they DO represent such views that I expect them to have clear evidence to back it up. For sure, nobody in their right mind could write so hateful comments without facts?

 

Southerns 'Allah is gay god' stunt mentioned earlier was distasteful and trolling but hardly racism, fascism or hate speech.
I guess she kind of made her points, which were how poorly LGTB people are tolerated in Islam and how easily mainstream media takes the bait.
Although I believe she did not wear a t-shirt, rather than was giving out flyers. Overall it wasn't too well executed but I can't really see why the outrage?

 

I'm not aware on what her ship did on Mediterranean sea, but opposing NGO ships seems to fall in line with policies set by Italy, Greece, Libya and Tunisia, which all have banned NGO ships from using their ports.
Libya going to the extreme of threatening to sink any NGO ship coming to pick up refugees within their waters. At the moment only Spain is still allowing NGOs. 
Again, I have not looked into this claimed case myself so maybe the crew did something illegal or dangerous. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 2069117 7-Aug-2018 09:21
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Fred99:

 

MikeAqua:

 

Both sides of a political debate

 

 

Ah - the "both sides" argument.

 

There shouldn't be any "both sides" of a "debate" with fascists, racists and bigots - or flat-earthers or Obama-birthers for that matter.

 

 

Like it or not there is, because people with those views (however abhorrent/ignorant/silly) exist.

 

My point is  everyone with an axe to grind uses the same age-old tactics.  Perhaps you lack the objectivity to see that?





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  Reply # 2069156 7-Aug-2018 09:56
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MagicSquirrel:

 

As a person who makes his mind based on facts and proof, instead of ranting by random people on random internet forums, I would like to see on what all these racist/faschist/hate speech comments are based on.

 

 

If you want to swim in their filth, that is up to you. I have better things to do with my time. These people are insignificant losers trying to make easy money from other losers. 

 

 





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  Reply # 2069160 7-Aug-2018 10:03
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MagicSquirrel:

 

Rikkitic:

 

MagicSquirrel:

 

Could someone please post links to some YouTube clips supporting all racist/fascist claims?

 

 

Here is another idea: Why don't you provide some links to things these people have said and done that show why you regard them as role models?

 

They are just two-dollar lays who have found a way to make easy money by saying things dumb people want to hear. 

 

 

 

 

Hmm.. where did I say they are my role models??
You need to stop projecting your prejudices on people, seriously.

 

As a person who makes his mind based on facts and proof, instead of ranting by random people on random internet forums, I would like to see on what all these racist/faschist/hate speech comments are based on.
Based on the 30 minutes I spent with this couple's Youtube channels, I'd label them as conservatives, not as racist or fascist. 
Some posters here however are so certain that they DO represent such views that I expect them to have clear evidence to back it up. For sure, nobody in their right mind could write so hateful comments without facts?

 

Southerns 'Allah is gay god' stunt mentioned earlier was distasteful and trolling but hardly racism, fascism or hate speech.
I guess she kind of made her points, which were how poorly LGTB people are tolerated in Islam and how easily mainstream media takes the bait.
Although I believe she did not wear a t-shirt, rather than was giving out flyers. Overall it wasn't too well executed but I can't really see why the outrage?

 

I'm not aware on what her ship did on Mediterranean sea, but opposing NGO ships seems to fall in line with policies set by Italy, Greece, Libya and Tunisia, which all have banned NGO ships from using their ports.
Libya going to the extreme of threatening to sink any NGO ship coming to pick up refugees within their waters. At the moment only Spain is still allowing NGOs. 
Again, I have not looked into this claimed case myself so maybe the crew did something illegal or dangerous. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You may find lifting your head out of the sand could be surprisingly refreshing. Those two are disgusting dangerous people along with that twonk that has just been banned by YourTube Apple and even Facebook.





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  Reply # 2069161 7-Aug-2018 10:04
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MikeAqua:

 

Fred99:

 

MikeAqua:

 

Both sides of a political debate

 

 

Ah - the "both sides" argument.

 

There shouldn't be any "both sides" of a "debate" with fascists, racists and bigots - or flat-earthers or Obama-birthers for that matter.

 

 

Like it or not there is, because people with those views (however abhorrent/ignorant/silly) exist.

 

My point is  everyone with an axe to grind uses the same age-old tactics.  Perhaps you lack the objectivity to see that?

 

 

That's a squirmy and pointless argument.

 

Bigotry/racism/fascism are objectively wrong.  It's nuts to suggest that rejection of fascism is because people may have "axe to grind".

 

 


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  Reply # 2069163 7-Aug-2018 10:09
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Rikkitic:

 

If you want to swim in their filth, that is up to you.

 

 

If someone wants to make their own judgements, what is wrong with that?

 

It took me about 60 seconds of researching those two some weeks ago to deduce I find their views repellent, intellectually flimsy, unoriginal and not very relevant to NZ.  I now have my own informed opinion based on which, I have no further interest in what they have to say.

 

I think that's a better position to be in than having a notion based on someone else's opinion.

 

 





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MagicSquirrel:

 

Based on the 30 minutes I spent with this couple's Youtube channels, I'd label them as conservatives, not as racist or fascist. 

 

 

This isn't "conservatism" - it's strongly fascist:

 

She defended the American alt-right leader Richard Spencer, who railed against Jews, led a "Hail Trump" chant at an alt-right gathering while audience members gave the Nazi salute, and called for the "peaceful" ethnic cleansing of America. Southern said he "is not a white supremacist, he is a white nationalist. He believes in a white ethno-state."

 

 


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Fred99:

 

That's a squirmy and pointless argument.

 

Bigotry/racism/fascism are objectively wrong.  It's nuts to suggest that rejection of fascism is because people may have "axe to grind".

 

 

Sigh ... that is not what I said or 'suggested' - WTF does 'suggested' even mean in this context? Something I didn't say,  that you think I think?

 

Fred it's pretty clear this is an emotive topic for you.  I suspect it's affecting your comprehension skills.





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  Reply # 2069196 7-Aug-2018 10:46
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MikeAqua:

 

Rikkitic:

 

If you want to swim in their filth, that is up to you.

 

 

If someone wants to make their own judgements, what is wrong with that?

 

It took me about 60 seconds of researching those two some weeks ago to deduce I find their views repellent, intellectually flimsy, unoriginal and not very relevant to NZ.  I now have my own informed opinion based on which, I have no further interest in what they have to say.

 

I think that's a better position to be in than having a notion based on someone else's opinion.

 

 

 

 

So what is the argument? Like you, I based my opinion on credible reports of what they were saying and doing. Like you, it didn't take me long to decide I had seen enough. If someone can't see what these people are really like, I doubt anything I can say will change their mind. 

 

 





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  Reply # 2069212 7-Aug-2018 11:31
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MikeAqua:

 

Fred99:

 

That's a squirmy and pointless argument.

 

Bigotry/racism/fascism are objectively wrong.  It's nuts to suggest that rejection of fascism is because people may have "axe to grind".

 

 

Sigh ... that is not what I said or 'suggested' - WTF does 'suggested' even mean in this context? Something I didn't say,  that you think I think?

 

Fred it's pretty clear this is an emotive topic for you.  I suspect it's affecting your comprehension skills.

 

 

Go back and read your posts in this thread (as I just did).

 

Many of your comments seem to suggest that there's a "both sides" to a legitimate debate, that "both sides" use the same techniques to discredit each other's position, or that people get "personal" when confronted by a fascist.

 

If being "emotive" is to reject fascism without feeling any need for discussion of its "virtues" - then yeah - I'm guilty as charged.


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  Reply # 2069218 7-Aug-2018 11:41
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I am appalled that people normalise fascism, racism and bigotry as conservatism. Different doctrines.

 

Conservatism favours free enterprise, private ownership, and socially conservative ideas. It does not spouse authoritarianism (including its extreme form, fascism).

 

Being against fascism is not being "leftist" or "liberal". It is being against the oppression of human beings.





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