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  Reply # 2098087 28-Sep-2018 12:22
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Whomever prepared her speech certainly did  a good job with the feel good stuff.  I agree that it was an outrageous claim that they "widely consulted", an outright lie by their own admission.

 

It's pretty easy to get up and say these things, it's a whole other thing to enact policies and then execute them well, in order to actually make a change, so far there is a lot of talk.

 

I think she was given a very easy set of interviews from a friendly crowd/host. Not one interviewer asked her a tough question, or put her on the spot. You'd certainly hope she could come across as charming and engaging and smash the answers out of the ballpark when people are setting up balls like that :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You almost broke character and said nothing bad then....... back to script. At least she did not act the village idiot like John Key. 





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  Reply # 2098088 28-Sep-2018 12:24
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networkn:


Whomever prepared her speech certainly did  a good job with the feel good stuff.  I agree that it was an outrageous claim that they "widely consulted", an outright lie by their own admission.


It's pretty easy to get up and say these things, it's a whole other thing to enact policies and then execute them well, in order to actually make a change, so far there is a lot of talk.


I think she was given a very easy set of interviews from a friendly crowd/host. Not one interviewer asked her a tough question, or put her on the spot. You'd certainly hope she could come across as charming and engaging and smash the answers out of the ballpark when people are setting up balls like that :)


 


 



 


You almost broke character and said nothing bad then....... back to script. At least she did not act the village idiot like John Key. 



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  Reply # 2098097 28-Sep-2018 12:29
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Crows gotta caw. People love her. She has been brilliant, charming, inspirational throughout every interview and address. Thanks to her, New Zealand's name recognition has gone through the roof. Maybe we will even finally be put on those maps where we are missing. Tourism will probably double overnight. Our international reputation has gone up leaps and bounds. But don't let any of that get in the way of your sourness. 

 

 





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  Reply # 2098101 28-Sep-2018 12:34
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Dingbatt: "I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony. I'd like to buy the world a ......."

Aspirational and inspirational. I must say the PM's media people have done an outstanding job of preparing her for all of her public appearances associated with the UN trip. She adroitly avoided criticizing Trump directly, even throwing "her partner" under the bus at one stage to avoid answering a question about Trump. It was a fine piece diplomacy that avoided throwing her country under the bus. But it must have rankled, because it goes against most things she stands for.

The only bum note from my perspective, was claiming they had consulted widely before the exploration ban, in a speech at the climate conference.

In the end, all the heavy hitters spoke earlier in the week. The number of empty seats in the hall show how important NZ is on the world stage (hint: not very). But that's not the fault of the PM, just a geographical and demographic fact.

 

 

 

Are you able to detail who they did consult and who they didn't consult?





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  Reply # 2098103 28-Sep-2018 12:36
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MikeB4:

 

Dingbatt: "I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony. I'd like to buy the world a ......."

Aspirational and inspirational. I must say the PM's media people have done an outstanding job of preparing her for all of her public appearances associated with the UN trip. She adroitly avoided criticizing Trump directly, even throwing "her partner" under the bus at one stage to avoid answering a question about Trump. It was a fine piece diplomacy that avoided throwing her country under the bus. But it must have rankled, because it goes against most things she stands for.

The only bum note from my perspective, was claiming they had consulted widely before the exploration ban, in a speech at the climate conference.

In the end, all the heavy hitters spoke earlier in the week. The number of empty seats in the hall show how important NZ is on the world stage (hint: not very). But that's not the fault of the PM, just a geographical and demographic fact.

 

 

 

Are you able to detail who they did consult and who they didn't consult?

 

 

Yes, scroll back to @6fiend last few posts. It was detailed there.


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  Reply # 2098104 28-Sep-2018 12:37
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the PMs speech at the UN was excellent. 



Agreed. These kind of situations she really shines

But Mike Hosking wrote a brutally honest piece about the UN during the week (I know that merely mentioning his name creates divisions) which puts it all in perspective. Yes, it's great marketing for NZ but that's about all. Doesn't make any difference whether it JK or Jacinda, the UN is a failure, great speeches don't change that

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  Reply # 2098108 28-Sep-2018 12:43
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the PMs speech at the UN was excellent. 

 



Agreed. These kind of situations she really shines

But Mike Hosking wrote a brutally honest piece about the UN during the week (I know that merely mentioning his name creates divisions) which puts it all in perspective. Yes, it's great marketing for NZ but that's about all. Doesn't make any difference whether it JK or Jacinda, the UN is a failure, great speeches don't change that

 

 

 

The PM made reference to the problems of the UN especially the Veto issue, something I feel should be removed. The UN does has issues but it can be fixed.





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  Reply # 2098111 28-Sep-2018 12:51
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MikeB4:

Are you able to detail who they did consult and who they didn't consult?



Since it was quite widely reported in the media at the time, and subsequently, then I probably could. But you are just as capable of doing an online search. The list of who they did consult would be easiest, because it is relatively short. The list of those they didn't consult before the announcement, and should have, is longer and includes their own cabinet colleagues.

And didn't NZ raise the veto issue when it was on the security council?




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  Reply # 2098118 28-Sep-2018 13:10
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Crows gotta caw. People love her. She has been brilliant, charming, inspirational throughout every interview and address. Thanks to her, New Zealand's name recognition has gone through the roof. Maybe we will even finally be put on those maps where we are missing. Tourism will probably double overnight. Our international reputation has gone up leaps and bounds. But don't let any of that get in the way of your sourness. 


 



I was gonna say, “let’s not get carried away”
But this government has given us a 42% increase in petrol prices in less than a year, so anything is possible!


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  Reply # 2098131 28-Sep-2018 13:20
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I think the price of oil has had a bit to do with that, it has gone from 46.6 to 71.08 approx in the last year. Yes there has been increases in excise but the majority is from the increase in crude.





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  Reply # 2098132 28-Sep-2018 13:20
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MikeB4:

rjt123:
MikeB4:


the PMs speech at the UN was excellent. 




Agreed. These kind of situations she really shines

But Mike Hosking wrote a brutally honest piece about the UN during the week (I know that merely mentioning his name creates divisions) which puts it all in perspective. Yes, it's great marketing for NZ but that's about all. Doesn't make any difference whether it JK or Jacinda, the UN is a failure, great speeches don't change that


 


The PM made reference to the problems of the UN especially the Veto issue, something I feel should be removed. The UN does has issues but it can be fixed.



Yes glad she mentioned them. but I was to give a PM a list of KPIs giving a good UN speech wouldn't be on it. Her performance as a PM depends on far more important things, this is just one small win for her in the large jigsaw puzzle she's putting together.

Yep it's good for marketing, but how much better was the Lord of the Rings movie. Put in perspective she could give 10 wonderful speeches at the UN but encouraging meaningful investment into things like LOTR can pay far greater dividends. Not writing her off, just putting things in perspective. Discouraging foreign investment doesn't help in that regard.

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  Reply # 2098192 28-Sep-2018 14:29
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Reciprocity:

I was gonna say, “let’s not get carried away”
But this government has given us a 42% increase in petrol prices in less than a year, so anything is possible!

 

 

I try to avoid getting into the details of discussions like this because every time I do, they turn out to be incorrectly or selectively cited or presented in a manner to support a particular political argument. Wading through the figures is time-consuming and tiring and I frankly don’t have the patience or energy for it anymore, especially when the truth always turns out to be something else. But I got curious about the petrol price issue and decided to take a slightly closer look. Here is what I found on the AA site alone:

 

Thanks to this government (I haven’t seen anyone here giving them credit), ALL revenue from petrol taxes will now be devoted to the road and transport system. I would think this would warm the hearts of the National-voting motoring crowd. Under National, by the way, only about a third of petrol tax revenue went back into roading.

 

The price of fuel is a direct result of the international price of oil, which no NZ government can do much about. On top of that is the exchange rate difference since oil is priced in US dollars. A year ago a dollar was worth about US 80 cents. Right now that is around US 74 cents. This also means higher pump prices. Maybe some exchange rate difference can be blamed on government policy, but that is a stretch.

 

In addition to the price of oil, fuel price is affected by government excise tax. To quote AA: “There have been regular increases in the National Land Transport Fund petrol excise petrol tax, totalling 17 cents per litre between October 2009 and July 2015.” (National government). AA adds that a carbon charge on fuels was also introduced through an emissions trading scheme on 1 July 2010, currently costing about 5 cents per litre on petrol, and 6 cents per litre on diesel. Is it necessary to point out that this added charge also was not introduced by the current government?

 

Although excise went up over the years, ACC levies went down so the previous government can be given credit for that. It is also true that both taxes will be going up again. Excise will increase by 3.5 cents per litre. I have seen that ACC will also increase again, but I don’t know by how much. And of course there is the Auckland regional tax of 10 cents and other regional taxes on the way.

 

Finally, there is 15% GST on all the above. Perhaps unnecessary to point out that this tax came from National under John Key.

 

So some increases are a result of government policy. Some come from this government, others from previous governments. There is no question that petrol and other fuels are becoming more expensive under Labour. But simplistic emotive comparisons like this one are both inaccurate and dishonest. That is pure Donald Trump. It is a lie and it needs to be called out as such.

 

 





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  Reply # 2098204 28-Sep-2018 14:45
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Please, tell me where you can get $US0.74 for one NZ dollar? I would love a rate like that! Try $US0.66.

I have to assume the fuel price post by Reciprocity was a bit tongue in cheek (won't call it trolling). Only part of the increase can be laid at the government's feet. The additional TAX, and the immediate impact them coming to power had on the NZ dollar (approx -$US 0.03) is on them.

But remember, none of it is Winston's fault, because he said "No Baggsies".




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  Reply # 2098208 28-Sep-2018 14:51
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Rikkitic:

 

It is a lie and it needs to be called out as such.

 

 

Then I am surprised you aren't very upset at the lie JA told during her UN speech that you lauded as "doubling our tourism overnight", around "widely consulting" over the Oil and Gas exploration ban?

 

 


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