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#2433099 5-Mar-2020 12:37

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Ultimately, the PM should be directly and constantly across something this serious. I don't mean at arms length which is her usual management style (and one that hasn't worked well). She places far too much trust in her inexperienced ministers. She should be having war room meetings about this with her top people, the same people who were called in for the mosque shootings. Health Minister is calling for calm, which is fine and saying everything under control (which has been the call from every failed policy they haven't executed on well to date), and that they are doing everything they can.

I just don't have much confidence that those things are true based on what I can see and what is being reported.

All I know, is that her and her ministers are not manageing this crisis, its being managed by WHO, and also by our Ministry of Health, who while they fall under Aderns control, they are senior doctors, specialists, ex Registrars who now ply their trade in the national health system. Only they are qualified to make any calls. JA is just a speechmaker here, IMO. MoH will tell her what to do and what to make happen

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#2433101 5-Mar-2020 12:38

networkn:

Ultimately, the PM should be directly and constantly across something this serious. I don't mean at arms length which is her usual management style (and one that hasn't worked well). She places far too much trust in her inexperienced ministers. She should be having war room meetings about this with her top people, the same people who were called in for the mosque shootings. Health Minister is calling for calm, which is fine and saying everything under control (which has been the call from every failed policy they haven't executed on well to date), and that they are doing everything they can.

I just don't have much confidence that those things are true based on what I can see and what is being reported.

What ?

We have 2, perhaps 3 people diagnosed and you want the PM to drop her day job to concentrate on this.

Compare that to the hundreds who are killed in car crashes, the thousands who are injured, EVERY YEAR.

And exactly how do you know how much effort anyone is putting into this ?

The Mosque shootings are not even remotely the same as a pandemic. The people who will be advising here will be...at work, getting information from here and overseas, looking at what works, etc etc etc, they are no sitting in the PMs room doing sod all.

People are doing a LOT behind the scenes , they are just not coming out telling everyone every little detail.

As for the news, the news LOVES click bait, hyped up headlines. Situations like this are great for increasing their readership numbers and advertising dollars, and "Don't panic and carry on" is NOT what they are interested in telling you.

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#2433108 5-Mar-2020 12:45

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networkn:

Ultimately, the PM should be directly and constantly across something this serious. I don't mean at arms length which is her usual management style (and one that hasn't worked well). She places far too much trust in her inexperienced ministers. She should be having war room meetings about this with her top people, the same people who were called in for the mosque shootings. Health Minister is calling for calm, which is fine and saying everything under control (which has been the call from every failed policy they haven't executed on well to date), and that they are doing everything they can.

I just don't have much confidence that those things are true based on what I can see and what is being reported.

All I know, is that her and her ministers are not manageing this crisis, its being managed by WHO, and also by our Ministry of Health, who while they fall under Aderns control, they are senior doctors, specialists, ex Registrars who now ply their trade in the national health system. Only they are qualified to make any calls. JA is just a speechmaker here, IMO. MoH will tell her what to do and what to make happen

Not just medical people. I knew a statistician who's research was on Pandemics. He now lives in the UK.

He was looking at how diseases spread and modelling them. He was looking at how this impacted food chains, medical availability.

Did models on economics, who should be treated first ,the roles wild life play in the spread of diseases, the role mass transport plays, food rationing, protection of medical personnel , etc etc etc

There is a ton of stuff being planned for quietly in the background

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#2433118 5-Mar-2020 12:57

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What ?

We have 2, perhaps 3 people diagnosed and you want the PM to drop her day job to concentrate on this.

I hate to break it to you, running the country, overseeing the efforts of her ministers etc IS her day job!

Compare that to the hundreds who are killed in car crashes, the thousands who are injured, EVERY YEAR.

The impact of this virus, even with minimal infection here will be far more impactful than our road death toll. There are so many implications, to our economy (there are signs globally this could accelerate the world into a recession), our tourism, to our healthcare system.

IF it does spread here, and I believe the chances are good, lives will be saved by preparing properly. Now, not when it's already too late. The best case scenario for NZ is it turns out to be a storm in a teacup, the worst-case scenario is pretty grim. (and for the record, I am not prone to press driven hysteria).

The Roadtoll is a tragedy, but there is a plan in place for that (regardless of whether it's a good plan or not). It does not need an immediate critical response.

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#2433120 5-Mar-2020 12:58

I agree fully with what you have stated Some people are just trying to get political and will never accept anything that the PM does. This has come across many times from this particular person on this forum.

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#2433121 5-Mar-2020 12:59

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Not just medical people. I knew a statistician who's research was on Pandemics. He now lives in the UK.

He was looking at how diseases spread and modelling them. He was looking at how this impacted food chains, medical availability.

Did models on economics, who should be treated first ,the roles wild life play in the spread of diseases, the role mass transport plays, food rationing, protection of medical personnel , etc etc etc

There is a ton of stuff being planned for quietly in the background

For sure. Like any area, there are workers in many roles, making the whole package. I was focussing on who is driving the health issues here, whuch is not the PM and her cronies

Simon feels we need to be talking about the economic plan instead so he will release his election campaigns ideas early. Its good to get priorities right... I see this virus is very much a moving target, he seems to know more.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120032148/coronavirus-simon-bridges-to-bring-nationals-economic-plan-forward

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#2433124 5-Mar-2020 13:05

Simon Bridges can have next to zero influence over the Coalitions plan to handle the C19. He can really only talk about what he does have control over, which is his plans for post-election. I agree with him that the world economic situation related to C19 doesn't look great. We need to have some resources looking toward the impact it will have long term on the economy.

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#2433131 5-Mar-2020 13:12

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Simon Bridges can have next to zero influence over the Coalitions plan to handle the C19. He can really only talk about what he does have control over, which is his plans for post-election. I agree with him that the world economic situation related to C19 doesn't look great. We need to have some resources looking toward the impact it will have long term on the economy.

That goes without saying, and its good that he is adjusting his plans for the potential recession being aggravated by Covid-19, as will the current Govt. All resources are looking toward that impact, Govt and Opposition. Seems like news that is actually day to day workload to me

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#2433137 5-Mar-2020 13:18

Networkn

please tell me how you are worse off under this Govt We may not agree with many of the things that they have promised but like all governing parties they have successes and failures this group have made many changes that have been successful. Sure there have been some failures

Take your blinkers off. Do you really want to see SB in charge the man who says people are fN useless as well as his many other faults lying about donations etc

How are you going to get on if they are returned perhaps you should Join M Hoskings and go and live somewhere else Now Get of my back. If this gets me banned I will accept it

[Mod edit (MF) remove personal attack, user warned.]

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#2433149 5-Mar-2020 13:35

gulfa:

Take your blinkers off. Do you really want to see SB in charge the man who says people are fN useless as well as his many other faults lying about donations etc

Can you point out how Simon Bridges has lied about donations.

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#2433154 5-Mar-2020 13:43

Listen to the JR tape

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#2433160 5-Mar-2020 13:51

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Listen to the JR tape

I did. I'm asking you which bit is 'lying about donations'. I don't hear it. I hear what sounds a lot like entrapment on JLR's part and Bridges being too oblivious of what he's actually being asked for it to work, but that's just my opinion. I don't know which bit he said would count as 'lying about donations' like you said. Perhaps you could post the extract from a transcript?

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#2433162 5-Mar-2020 13:52

You have indicated many times how you hate the PM Whats wrong with you.

If you can find a single reference to me saying I hate the PM, I'll donate $500 to a charity of your choosing, if not, you owe me an apology.

I don't hate her. I think she is an ineffectual leader and probably the worst people manager that has been PM in my memory.

governing parties they have successes and failures this group have made many changes that have been successful. Sure there have been some failures

I see it the other way, there have been SOME successes (which if you go through and read my posts, I have provided positive feedback for) but considerably more, monumental failures.

Do you really want to see SB in charge the man who says people are fN useless

I wonder, would every one of your own private conversations and commentary withstand recorded scrutiny? I don't really care if he said someone was f'n useless, it's less offensive to me than promising 100,000 homes and delivering next to none.

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#2433165 5-Mar-2020 13:55

Yes there appears to be differing opinions on this according to Bridges he is a very smart guy. But to many of us who have listened to the tape think like me that he really new what was going on, Be interesting to see the results of the upcoming court case

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#2433185 5-Mar-2020 14:18

networkn:

I wonder, would every one of your own private conversations and commentary withstand recorded scrutiny? I don't really care if he said someone was f'n useless, it's less offensive to me than promising 100,000 homes and delivering next to none.

And yet, more housing is now being built since the 1970's

Unlike the Nats who kept denying there was a crisis, which I found even MORE offensive because it was them saying they did not care and would make no effort.

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