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#2192463 6-Mar-2019 18:24

Worth pointing out that 4% was the recommendation of the MMP report that National ignored; but actually changing the MMP threshold to suit yourself in power looks a lot more like gerrymandering than not changing a law everyone lived with for 20 years up to that point.

Incredibly poor on the old optics there from the Greens.

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#2192466 6-Mar-2019 18:29

GV27:

Worth pointing out that 4% was the recommendation of the MMP report that National ignored; but actually changing the MMP threshold to suit yourself in power looks a lot more like gerrymandering than not changing a law everyone lived with for 20 years up to that point.

Incredibly poor on the old optics there from the Greens.

I believe is was both National and Labour that ignored changing the threshold.

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#2192561 6-Mar-2019 21:13

GV27:
Worth pointing out that 4% was the recommendation of the MMP report that National ignored; but actually changing the MMP threshold to suit yourself in power looks a lot more like gerrymandering than not changing a law everyone lived with for 20 years up to that point.

Incredibly poor on the old optics there from the Greens.

I'd be surprised if the greens were in any danger of going under 5%. I don't think it's that one. More likely a long-standing idea of following the original recommendation. Don't know for sure. Can't be bothered looking.

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#2192725 7-Mar-2019 02:32

networkn:
Well, so long as everyone is playing by the same rules, then it shouldn't matter. I am against lowering the threshold personally, I feel we already have some crazy fringe groups as it is and whilst I suppose it's important that all voices are heard, if a party can't get to 5%, what are the chances they will be able to provide a reasonable contribution. I guess there are arguments for both sides.

I am fully supportive of lowering the threshold. (although I feel that it should be lowered to at least 2%). That bill is still a step in the right direction, so it gets my support.

The current threshold is way too high. As no completely new party has made it into parliament (let alone into government). Since MMP started. The only new parties were / are splinter groups from existing parties.

We are actually at risk of ending up back with the equivalent of FPP. As if NZF fail to make the threshold (and a new center party doesn't somehow make it in instead). We will have an FPP parliament, with Labour + Greens being the Left party, and National +Act being the Right party. National or Labour can very easily bring us to an FPP equivalent. All they have to do, is refuse to work with NZF. As that will force all right leaning NZF supporters to vote National. While left leaning NZF supporters will vote Labour, as they will probably have their vote wasted from NZF failing to meet the threshold. While even if they do make the threshold, since they can only go with Labour, there would be no advantage to voting NZF compared to voting Labour.

Another option, implement a rule that whichever party gets the most votes. Must be a part of any coalition. As that would stop large gaps from appearing between the highest polling, and the second highest polling parties. Which will provide alot more votes to support the smaller parties. (My understanding is that such a rule exists in Germany)

Since Labour and National would both get extra votes under a quasi FPP system. No surprises as to why National and Labour both want to keep the threshold at 5%.

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#2192735 7-Mar-2019 07:15

I'm not sure rejigging the entire electoral system just so parties have enough headroom to campaign on whatever they like and then sell out for a different set of coalition promises they didn't campaign on is going to improve the Government we get. Seems like the kind of thing they should fear punishment from voters for to be honest.

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#2192766 7-Mar-2019 08:52

I dont care about the current crop of smaller parties. I'm worried about allowing completely new smaller parties the ability to enter parliament. More smaller parties would mean that 1 of them wont be a king maker. And the useless ones will get kicked out faster as well. Unlike Act and United Future.

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#2192810 7-Mar-2019 09:09

Aredwood: I dont care about the current crop of smaller parties. I'm worried about allowing completely new smaller parties the ability to enter parliament. More smaller parties would mean that 1 of them wont be a king maker. And the useless ones will get kicked out faster as well. Unlike Act and United Future.

This was pretty much the system in Holland when I lived there. It has changed somewhat since then and I'm not sure exactly what it is like now as I haven't kept up with Dutch politics, but during my time we had several smaller parties, especially on the left, and governments were all multi-party coalitions. The downside of this was that it was sometimes difficult to form a new government after an election. One time I think we went more than half a year with a caretaker government while negotiations proceeded. But this did not seem to damage the overall political or economic stability of the country.

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#2203810 23-Mar-2019 13:33

Jacinda Ardern’s flawless response to the Christchurch tragedy has rightly brought her worldwide praise and admiration. Simon Bridges and the opposition also deserve applause for their dignified conduct and immediate support of the new gun legislation.

With Jacinda Ardern now having achieved a status close to sainthood, her position as Labour leader and PM is probably unassailable. In the face of this It won’t be easy to mount an effective opposition. I can’t offer Simon Bridges my political support, but he certainly has my sympathy. It is not going to be easy to gain traction after what has happened. But if he carries on as he has so far, he can at least go down with his head held high. I wish him all the best.

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#2203871 23-Mar-2019 17:14

I believe no one else in Parliament currently and recent history could have done the extremely hard job as well as she has.
As cheesy as this maybe I feel pride that she is our leader and thankful that she was here to step up in our nation's hour of need. She is first and foremost a leader

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111503420/worlds-tallest-building-lit-up-with-image-of-jacinda-ardern

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#2203880 23-Mar-2019 17:50

Rikkitic:
Jacinda Ardern’s flawless response to the Christchurch tragedy has rightly brought her worldwide praise and admiration. Simon Bridges and the opposition also deserve applause for their dignified conduct and immediate support of the new gun legislation.

With Jacinda Ardern now having achieved a status close to sainthood, her position as Labour leader and PM is probably unassailable. In the face of this It won’t be easy to mount an effective opposition. I can’t offer Simon Bridges my political support, but he certainly has my sympathy. It is not going to be easy to gain traction after what has happened. But if he carries on as he has so far, he can at least go down with his head held high. I wish him all the best.

I don't have any sympathy for Simon Bridges.

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#2203882 23-Mar-2019 18:01

He used to make me think of the Red Dwarf Despair Squid every time he spoke in Parliament, but I think he has risen to the occasion and deserves credit for that. He or any other opposition leader is going to have a tough time now. At least he understands the gravity of this situation and is responding accordingly.

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#2204023 24-Mar-2019 00:41

This is at risk of being a hagiography but Aderns has been tremendous. She's turned an incident that could have been an international disaster into a triumph for New Zealand.

This will likely be the highest point of her leadership.

The actual success of her government is a much more complex topic and there are pretty strong arguments to say that it hasn't been great. To paraphrase Clintons campaign - "it's the economy stupid". While that remains strong then Labour will be hard to beat with Aderns personal popularity.

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#2205726 27-Mar-2019 15:20

Handle9: This is at risk of being a hagiography but Aderns has been tremendous. She's turned an incident that could have been an international disaster into a triumph for New Zealand.

This will likely be the highest point of her leadership.

The actual success of her government is a much more complex topic and there are pretty strong arguments to say that it hasn't been great. To paraphrase Clintons campaign - "it's the economy stupid". While that remains strong then Labour will be hard to beat with Aderns personal popularity.

In terms of publicity is has been tremendous, however will this be effective in mitigating (or deflecting) revenge attacks, as called for by the IS?

A revised long term security strategy for the country, and it's effect on NZ's society and culture will need to be made. This will be a difficult and complicated decision.

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#2212525 8-Apr-2019 07:51

It seems Twyford has made comments that indicate NW Auckland won't get light rail after all.

I've had enough of this. There's thousands of new houses going in up the road and the streets are already gridlocked from 630am. Commute times have doubled in the last three years.

There should be no more intensification of the North West until there are sods being turned. Until then, maybe Ponsonby or Grey Lynn can pick up some slack.

This is the worst example of a policy bait and switch since....well, Kiwibuild.

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#2212557 8-Apr-2019 08:37

GV27:

It seems Twyford has made comments that indicate NW Auckland won't get light rail after all.

I've had enough of this. There's thousands of new houses going in up the road and the streets are already gridlocked from 630am. Commute times have doubled in the last three years.

There should be no more intensification of the North West until there are sods being turned. Until then, maybe Ponsonby or Grey Lynn can pick up some slack.

This is the worst example of a policy bait and switch since....well, Kiwibuild.

I don't think they will deliver on a single flagship policy. It's disgraceful.

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